Solo "bombs", so what happens next?

Strange sample.

Even the most intelligent and most educated moviegores ,that I know personally, are reserved for Star Wars because of TLJ.
And believe me those are educated people.

One of them is a coleague on my work,he was once a winner of the most difficult national Tv quizz of knowledge .

He said TLJ was a game changer for him as a moviegore,how he percepts Star Wars and what he expects from SW anymore...

Cross my heart,I talked with this person today and he informed me he bought a ticket for Solo.

He looked at me like he bought a Shroediger's cat box,and he dont know will he find a dead smelly decomposing cat in it,or alive cat he can take in his hands,obviously fearing of first result...

I answred him im in a non-spoiler sense that he concluded this cat is not dead.

 

I wouldn't consider a SWNN poll a good sample of the general population

Of course they would. It blows my mind that you seem to honestly believe a casual viewer is going to leave TLJ saying "boy that movie sucked. sure can't wait for the next one though!"

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I agree, and the problems may go beyond mere financials. Other studios may not exactly be as "afraid" of Star Wars as once they were. Theater chains may not be willing to give Disney the same privileges they have in the past for future Star Wars movies.

Having a poor performance like this one can indeed have long-lasting ramifications.

 

Perhaps. But again this isn't exactly "Howard the Duck" or "Cutthroat Island" level of bomb. It's soft, no doubt. Sure, its gonna come in low enough to feed just about anyone's narrative, the pro-Disney folks will say it's a one-off, and the anti-Disney folks will say this is a harbinger. The reality is probably somewhere in between. It will make it's money back (I'm just not buying this idea that the film cost $400million), but probably not much more.

Now, if I'm Disney/LFL, I'd get my act together when it comes to bring in people to direct/write. Sure, damage can easily be undone. Let's face it, none of us stopped watching after Episodes I and II. BUT, you don't want to develop a track record of crap films. Go back to the once a year release. Hire quality writers/directors (dear god please no more Lord/Miller experiments!!!!). I'd be weary of doing films based on the so-called "Big Three" from the OT. Let them go. Develop other ideas into films. Obi-Wan? I'm not convinced, but if anecdotal evidence from this site is an indicator, apparently people want it. Bounty hunter/Boba Fett??? Again, I'm skeptical EXCEPT for the fact that it could be James Mangold writing/directing. Personally I'd rather see him do Obi-Wan.

Another thing, Jedi-Sith. I really liked Solo, and I liked that its exploring the GFFA without depending on the Jedi/Sith plot binary to motivate the film. However, lightsabers and Jedi-Sith (the force) is what makes Star Wars what it is. Thus I'd try and get Rian Johnson to do an old Republic trilogy... Darth Bane? Or Revan (he could break bad perhaps? Sorry I couldn't resist).

On that note... I loved the book and I love the character, so I'd say Ahsoka is a possibility for a stand alone film, perhaps set during the rebellion days. Explore her story during that time. It is, after all, a very big galaxy.

 

Wonder Woman proves that if a producer makes a film that critics and audiences like people will watch it. Solo proves that fans aren't enough to prop up a movie. If critics aren't excited then the general audience will find other films to watch. Americans spent $60M last weekend on Deadpool/Avengers. Those two films got good reviews and faced with the choice many people picked those films.

 

Great video for the moment

 

I haven't watched this guy since Collider parted ways with him. He was never very interesting.

 

Amazing...every word on what you just said is wrong

 

This guy on YouTube has put final verdict of what happened.
If Disney can't realise this simple honest,human reasons,than Disney,fans,all who are or were interested in Star Wars will suffer even more with next instalments of Star Wars .

Just note thousands of approvals of what he said.This is the truth.

 

Really a show they just brought back a couple of months ago because they felt it would work well with Trump supporters and had great ratings they wanted to cancel. If they didnt want it they never would have produced it.

 

Love Jermey Jahns, just comes across as a fan of movies says what he likes and doesn't like and doesn't seem to care if its popular or unpopular, its just what he thinks.

 

The Last Jedi scored an A without a minus by the same metric so there is even less reason to blame it.

 

And as I pointed out to you in the Box Office thread, there are a multitude of examples ( with many in the top 50 all time domestic) where critics gave a movie a lower score than what Solo received and audiences loved the movie so much it made the movie a box office success. On the inverse, it's also happens a lot that a movie is given a good score by critics and the audiences hate it and the movie bombs (which is the whole reason why CinemaScore was created).

Trying to point out that this is a matter of the critics giving it a bad review is just not a provable point. Especially when there are a lot of studies out there that have shown that the majority of movie goers could care less about the reviews from critics. Sure some care, sure some will make their choice based on what the critics say, but many people have written articles explaining that there is just no real correlation between critics scores and box office or audience acceptance.

https://variety.com/2017/film/news/...ont-impact-box-office-study-finds-1202554546/

 

In the example of Solo we have a film myself and many other Star Wars fans weren't very excited about. There's no reason for general audiences to get excited about it either if it lands to mixed reviews and there are other options.

 

The Last Jedi is Rian Johnsons and Kathleen Kennedy' s slap in the face of the public,and I fear now it was near death sentence for Star Wars.
Its not important what I think,its important what I see. Star Wars are becoming largely ignored in this part of Europe.
I just came from theater watching Solo again.Zagreb,Croatia,IMAX,
15 people in theater,out of 120 seats on 2rd day of film theatric run in here.
And Solo is much more enjoyable to watch than TLJ.
I am very sad to live to see this happens.
I can't believe this happened,its surreal to see consequences ,something to generate such powerful response ,litteral ignoring of Star Wars by a general audience.

TLJ was offense for people in here,nobody cares about Star Wars..

 

Jeremy used to be one of my favorite movie reviewers. I almost always agreed with him.

Lately though, I've really started to deviate from him. Not sure who changed between him and me, but I feel like he's a lot more reactionary and contrarian than he used to be. I guess it gets the views, but I feel like he's just generally less genuine than in the past.

Again, could just be because I'm more often in disagreement now.

 

going to see it this weekend. really sad that it is doing so badly. Curse you The Last Jedi.

 

Some of what he says is right on. But, I have issue with his contention that Star Wars was the type of series in which "the filmmaker knew what the beginning, middle and end" was going to be. WRONG WRONG WRONG. Maybe in the PT Lucas knew that. But in the OT he was making up as they went. Minor point? Maybe, but that is one myth about Lucas which needs to be destroyed. There is plenty of evidence that he was flying by the seat of his pants during the OT.

 

Although he is very much a drama-producer.

When TFA came out, he was on the rooftops talking about how amazing it was, and he went out of his way to talk down to people who didn't like TFA, saying "your opinion doesn't matter, you are a minority. go away and shut up."

Now, he's very much on the anti- Last Jedi train, and making videos after video about how people are trying to silence the dissent, and how the higher ups are tearing the fanbase apart, yadda yadda.

It seems his morals change with whatever his side is on a particular issue.

 

And here is the rub, you keep wanting to tell everyone it's the mixed reviews that is causing this, or at least that seems to be your go to answer in almost every post I have seen in which you discuss the Box Office. You've even bought into the idea that these mixed reviews are mixed because the bad press from a year ago has wormed it's way into the subconscious of the critics, which then led them to write these mixed reviews because the bad press affected their psyche as put forward by some movie review writer....

So, I've shown you that audiences don't really care about critics reviews, I've shown you that studies have shown that the RT scores from critics doesn't have any effect on box audience, I've shown that the bad press idea has no leg to stand on because the studios and the industry would have seen that in their data they gather prior to release and wouldn't had projected an OW of $150 million to $170 million.

Yet you still want to stick with those as the issues why it opened the way it did, yet.... yet, you have outright dismissed any notion of any kind of un-happiness from TLJ being at least a part of this fiasco. In multiple posts in the Box Office thread you've pretty much flat out rejected the idea that TLJ unhappiness has had any negative effect on the Star Wars brand....

Am I saying that TLJ backlash is at the heart of this? No I am not. All I am saying is that if you're going to convince yourself of all these other factors about Solo's poor OW, even though there is evidence to show that what you are standing by doesn't really have that much of an effect on Box office, than how can you just summarily dismiss that TLJ backlash is no where on the radar to have even some kind of effect on Solo?