OFFICIAL NEWS TFA Teaser Trailer 1 (11.28.2014) Discussion Thread.

That indeed helped 'ground' the Falcon a bit. I knew that the camera was moving like crazy, but I didn't realize how much of an impact it made. Thanks!

Also, we have the obligatory J.J. Abrams lens flare, although I'm not too bothered by that

 

The speeder could have been attached to a blue crane and cart...

 

That stabilized shot is not the entire scene with the falcon, only the last part where it has come close to the surface. There the Falcon is turning a lot more at the beginning of the scene as is apparent by the vortices coming off of the edges. It does still add to the perception of the maneuvers though.

Are we sure this is CGI and not a composite with model and green screen with a background shot on location? I thought someone with a better eye for it than I have had commented that they believed it was. I figure the same camera with the rotation being computer controlled would work.

 

Meh looking at it and knowing JJ's quotes about using the iMax camera (and the picture we have of it being in the desert scene) I think it was filmed on a real location, but it's very hard to tell if those TIES and the Falcon were props or straight CG.

Star Wars fans are horribly jaded against anything CG because the PT was attempting to be cutting edge on it without totally knowing what to do with it (and the rendering in post on the practical effects reflects the failures in that) but goodness it was over a decade ago and now it's far more sophisticated.

So my point is, even if everything you saw in that trailer was a beloved "practical effect," it's still going to look fake to people because of the way after effects are added in.

I say this with experience and knowing that the program's they're using far exceed mine, so you never know.

Give it a chance and let it be 2015, not 1983.

 

You are absolutely right, Shawshank. There's no point in complaining about this just for the sake of complaining. I think the Falcon & TIEs looks great in this, although it will take some getting used to (possibly) the Falcon being a lot more nimble than before. Still, that will only be a problem if this scene is indicative of how vehicle movement is handled in SW7, AND if any new spryness in the Falcon isn't given an in-movie explanation. In all likelihood, the Falcon will look awesome in the film!

One could, if one must, also note the difference in style throughout the SW7, such as with the flashy Stormtrooper scene (although that could be just the trailer edit), and other things besides, but one would approached ridiculousness pretty fast if one does not allow for new technology and styles from what was done in the 70s & 80s. I am optimistic that SW7 will be a great movie even if it feels a bit different from the OT - and why shouldn't it? The galaxy is likely a very different place now than what it was 30-something years ago, and updating the feel of the movie can only help establish that.

As for CGI in the PT, I am pretty sure that although the PT will fade away much faster than the OT, George Lucas' achievements in developing this technology will be recognized by and studied in filming communities and schools for many decades to come. His technology is much better used nowadays, but Lucas' contribution to the technical aspect of filmmaking (IML & CGI mostly) will live on at least as long as the OT will. Now... if he had just concentrated as much on writing a good and engaging tale as he did developing and showing off his tech skills, the fans would not be "horribly jaded against anything CG" today.

 

I could care less either way if it were practical or CGI, as long as they make it look believable. My only interest in how they did it is an "it would be cool to know." But I think IF they have a model of the Falcon, why would they not use it here? My point was more that folks are just assuming it is CG without much to go on. I could even see them using a practical model with CG enhancement to clean things up and get an even better final product.

Why do people think the Falcon is showing more maneuverability here than it did previously? Have we forgotten Han successfully navigating an asteroid field and on the surface of the really large asteroid better than the TIE fighters chasing them? Or how about the run through the insides of the second Death Star?

 

This is a very good point.

Yes, the Falcon did some interesting maneuvering in the OT too, and that is not so much the issue here, but the ship looks much lighter and nimble in the trailer. There was a heaviness to how the Falcon moved in ANH & ESB, where inertia... or something... is really evident. But again, it won't be a problem in TFA unless we make it one.

 

Also if you have seen the cam stabilized GIF, all the Falcon does is a steep dive and alnost hit the sand. It doesn't actually flip or spin. The chasing ship does. Maybe It's Issac's X-wing or another ally.

 

In case you hadn't noticed, the Warlord appears to be armoured... and there are rumors that the chromies might have laser swords of some form or fashion as well...

When the Clone Wars began, the Jedi had not been to war in what? Hundreds of years? The stormtroopers wear armour because they are combat troops... I think you are about to see what a Jedi gone to war looks like...

 

I wish the falcon in the originals was more maneuverable. "i know a few maneuvers" lol.

 

The gif is only the end of the scene, the falcon is definitely rolling in the first part of that scene before the sand even comes into the picture. those vortices, contrails, whatever you want to call them would not form in that manner if the Falcon was merely doing a dive.

edit: so a screen shot doesn't really show it as well as the video because it is more subtle than I realized. The paths of the contrails twist in relation to each other. The one on the left is more steady in relation to the camera. Plus if you watch the sky and clouds in the background, they are moving in a fairly straight manner. To me it looks like the camera is tilting up, continues past vertical until the Falcon comes close to the ground and the camera is basically upside down, and then starts to rotate to re-orient itself right side up. While it is more than just a dive, it still isn't that much of a maneuver.

 

You know... fly casually... but don't look like you're flying casually...

 

I don't think the MF looks any more maneuverable than it did in ESB through that asteroid field especially when it got really close to the big asteroid it landed on.