The Mandalorian S2E5 - Chapter 13: The Jedi

Ahsoka used Force powers against Din and the others but not the Magistrate.

They nailed Ahsoka except for slight difference in personality. Was really well done though. I hope Ahsoka and Ezra create a different Jedi order in Chiss space. That way they can separate the stories sufficiently to not destroy the past like they did in ST.

would be cool if The threat against the Chiss involved spin off (post Bane) Sith dark siders. Turn Thrawn into a good evil villain. =)

 

After their mind connection, when Ahsoka tries to make Grogu move the stone, I can see in child's eyes the suffering, pain and fear from his past, and it's sad and painful.

As viewers, we can experience in every chapter the growing feelings towards the Child. And this is priceless.

 

The complaining about the name really is something else. When you look at Yoda's species Yoda's name is literally "yo duh" and then there's Yaddle. If you ask me Grogu is the best of the 3.

 

Amen.

 

Fantastic stream of consciousness! Just superb! Hey you did see Morai in the tree, right?

Yep the scenes at the end with Din and "Grogu" [gaaag I hate the name] were tearjerkers....

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I find the complaining at the name nowhere near as annoying as the complaining about lekku length.....

 

Din will be showing off staff combat skills soon and Gideon will show that he doesn't just hold the dark sabre

 

Hi there. I'm confused about Ahsoka's advice. She understandably doesn't want to train Grogu. The last time they trained a fearful boy, Anakin, he turned into Vader. But then she says: go to the Jedi temple ruins and another Jedi may come. Surely she doesn't want another Jedi to train him? Isn't she saying "Look, I'm not going to train him. I've seen how bad this can become. And it can become really bad. But why not try your luck with some other Jedis?"

 

Ahsoka says:

"Place Grogu on the seeing stone at the top of the mountain....then Grogu may choose his path....if he reaches out through the force....there's a chance a Jedi may sense his presence, and come searching for him. Then again, there aren't many Jedi left."

Doesn't say anything about training, etc.

Just read her words for what they are.....

BY THE WAY, Welcome @speedbike's pedal !!

 

Why didn't Din say something to Ahsoka like. "I told you he could do it. But lifting rocks is kid's stuff - no offence Grogu. I've seen him stop a charging big horn right in its tracks and then hoist it straight up out of the mud. And..... he healed what should have been a mortal wound in an... enemy of mine. There was no hope. He practically brought him back to life. Turned that enemy into an ally. It was..... a miracle."

The lifting rocks thing is cute as it's ever been. But after the ST, and since even well before that, it's hardly the most reliable or enlightening display of power.

 

Yes I thought the same thing! "Lifting rocks..." has taken on an almost mythic importance....I mean OK everyone remembers Luke on Dagobah and Rey's famous line, but come on. Grogu has done some more epic things...

 

Thanks. I know she doesn't mention anything about training. But I'm unsure why she thinks the whole Jedi temple thing is wise. She saw the havoc caused when a Jedi, Obi-Wan, decided to train a fearful kid. So why take the risk that another Jedi may decide to train Grogu with the same results? I understand this would pretty much end the series just as it's getting interesting, but I also don't know why she doesn't agree to keep Grogu around, but not train him and let Din complete his mission.

 

I know...hence why I said Ahsoka didn't *overPOWER* Morgan and let the duel take place on her terms.

 

Welcome, @speedbike's pedal !

I've been trying to work her words out too.

I'm wondering if maybe she thinks the Force itself will guide Grogu into what to do while he sits on this mountain seat thing?

Or maybe she just thinks that with her own attachment and fear because of Anakin's fall, any other Jedi could do better with guiding and/or training a mini Jedi with previous attachments?

But I'm leaning toward she knows Grogu wants to choose his dad. (I think he told her and that's what the nod and smile was at the end.) She really does seem to believe Grogu's Force abilities will just go away and he'll forget them. I find that a little sus though...

 

I still think Grogu has something to do with the "awakening" of the Force at the time of TFA.....

"There's been an awakening....have you felt it?"

 

I still think it's information that reasonably should have been discussed. Din already knew that Grogu didn't perform on command. Even when he himself was mortally wounded.

 

I think Ahsoka was testing Grogu’s attachment to Din as much as anything. Then she senses too much fear in him. It wasn’t about whether could he move rocks or anything more impressive, it was about when he would respond to teaching, and why, and from whom. And so Ahsoka recoiled from training him, believing she was not up to that task. Maybe another (current or former) Jedi who had survived this long would be a more suitable, if the Force willed it - I think Ahsoka was wisely perhaps trusting in the Force itself, not the dogma of the Jedi (order) that she knows failed both the galaxy and herself in the fall of the Republic.

 

Yes. If you assume she knows more Jedi won't come. But she suggests it - along with the line about more Jedi seeking him out - only for Grogu and Dinn to bond in the temple, become a team, but without a trained Grogu being seduced by the dark side then it makes sense.

I didn't clock the little nod and smile. Or at least I didn't link it to that. But it's a fitting explanation, if not obvious. Thanks! Still, if it /is/ possible another Jedi seeks out Grogu after going to the temple, possibly to re-enact Obi-Wan's mistake then it's highly irresponsible.

You'd think the Jedi would have learnt their lesson with Anakin. Obi-Wan knew the council didn't want Anakin trained. And Obi-Wan saw first hand what happened. And saw his mistake cause untold destruction upon the entire galaxy. But, then, along comes another kid with the force... and he absolutely jumps at the chance of training another adolescence angry kid.

I'm think I'm done poking plot holes. I'm just assuming the Jedi are slightly irresponsible recruiters. I can't complain too much. This is probably the most I've enjoyed Star Wars (aside from the originals and the anime Clone Wars). The plot holes, which I've seen a couple of times elsewhere in this series, do annoy me, along with the Disney filler episodes that only serve to pad out the story into more shows, but overall this is an enjoyable series.

 

She still invoked Jedi dogma to excuse herself from having anything more to do with him.

I realise that the real reason is that Ahsoka training Grogu just isn't the story/plot they are following. I feel like the purpose of this episode was to make a timely connection between the child and a physical representation of Jedi culture. (Especially after Din's encounter with Bo Katan). A special look, as they say these days. And Ahsoka was a handy character to express a few facets of the Jedi's ways. And then to leave.