SPOILER The Mandalorian S3E5 Chapter 21- The Pirate

COSPLAYERS do a better job, maybe because of their fondness for the source material, some film crew members don't consider what they do a dream career but just a job.

For example, Cosplayers have depicted Starfire of the Teen Titans accurately, yet the live action TV show on HBOMAX, the actress and the costumes looks nothing like her, or the source material: comic books, graphic novels, and animated series. Cosplayers continue to do amazing jobs and they're not even getting paid for their efforts.

With that said, if the actor or actress does a good job it really doesn't matter how they look. I hope the MCU gets the X-Men right especially WOLVERINE, bright yellow costume, nuff said.

Superman has been depicted accurately why can't other franchise characters?

Starfire cosplayer:



Live action actress with comic book image:



I love the actress above but she looks nothing like Starfire. They should have painted her skin orange, and I understand her scantily clad comic book outfit may offend some viewers, but come on man!



To be fair, Cad Bane in the book of Boba Fett was well done even though his skin color was lighter than his darker blue animated version.

 

I was kind of lukewarm on this issue until i recently saw how someone on YouTube -- similar to the deep fakes of Luke after Chapter 16 -- showed fans a revised version of the same actor in the role of the Grand Inquisitor. It was SO CREEPY and SO GOOD! Staring at it, I wondered if it was a budgetary thing because it would have made the character so much better.

Especially when it comes to SW villains (i.e. Darth Vader, Darth Maul, Cad Bain, etc.), the look is super-important. I certainly hope it changes -- again, similar to the enhancements to Luke's image in TBoBF -- the next time we see him.

 

George Lucas went back and changed the CGI for Jabba the Hutt in A New Hope, thats love for the source material, some of the changes were not warranted, but that's a true master artisan at work.

How many copies of the film do I have? I have so many. I'd purchase another version...

They need to go back and fix Tarkin and Leia in Rogue One. Sadly, Kathleen Kennedy isn't GL, so she'll never use her own resources to fix things as GL did. Advancement in CGI changes often so LFL needs to go back and fix things like a painter, artist, who returns to his or her work and changes things.

 

I love the instruments used when the tittle appears. The classic mando tune sounded different. Really cool.
And then we go to that Republic base with that weird song. Loved it too. Can't wait to hear the long version.

 

Hmm... maybe?

I had just assumed that whatever pirate nation there was belonged to Shard on his ship and that he's gone now, but... well, as cool as last night's fight was, that was hardly a nation. It was hardly even a cruiser. The thing had ten snub fighters, only about double what Din had already merc'd in the first episode.

It does indeed seem like whatever threat Gorian posed, even outside of his seeming connections to Gideon, could be much deeper below the surface.

 

Watch the opening monologue, interesting BO-KATAN TRIBUTE.


https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxnEU4J1f8Gy4m7IQGC6m7ruKfpHr3tdbc

Full making star wars show host Jason Ward: Ward strikes again.

https://www.youtube.com/clip/UgkxnEU4J1f8Gy4m7IQGC6m7ruKfpHr3tdbc

 

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In the case of the Grand Inquisitor above, the casting directors should have found a taller, thinner / skinner actor to portray the Grand Inquisitor, was it the actor's bone structure or was the make-up artist at fault? He doesn't look like the beloved animated version, but of course, the actor's performance is what truly matters.

Alden Ehrenreich did not look like Han Solo or better yet Harrison Ford but its his performance that frankly matters. In this case, for me, it was the script. The Kasden writing duo did not accomplish GLs vision of a Han Solo film.

It was lackluster IMHOP. I own a copy of Solo, I'm a fan of the film, and hope for a Solo 2, so I'm not bashing the film, just wanted it to be better.

The Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves (2023) film directors, Daley and Goldstein would have directed / wrote a better Solo film. I think KK will contact them for a Star Wars project.

I also believe that Lord & Miller would have done a great job as well. For a Solo film to be good, it must feel like Solo in Empire Strikes Back, a scoundrel with a bit of levity, astounding aerial dogfights, and stellar action scenes... the Kessel Run was underwhelming to say the least.

For example, "Thats a rock in your hand not a granede?", some of the gags in Solo film were just awful... although, the ending cliffhanger with Darth Maul and Qi'a working for him was promising...

ok I apologize back on topic...

 

I'd never watched

I don't see anything wrong with any of those. I don't have any baggage of having watched the animated shows.

As for the GI, I thought his role, and the rest of the inquisitors, were to be seen as these slightly neophyte lackeys that Vader has been lumbered with. A sort of token posse of dark siders who don't really amount to anything significant. They should look slightly silly. Especially next to Vader who, while appearing relatively outlandish, still has an imposing dignity. Not to mention stature.

There's actually a few IRL supposedly elite forces who look a little silly. Swiss guards, the Household division of Buckingham Palace guards, The Dallas Cowboys and so on.

 

General Grievous is a great example, the illustration for the character is dark and amazing, yet it over-shadows Darth Vader.

The artist created a formidable antagonist for the films, but GL dumb him down for the film, coughing in a goofy, campy villain of the 1950s, pulp era.

 

Zeb and Bane were so spot on that the Grand Inquisitor looks almost comical now. I mean, that's why I posted them together. What makes his appearance even more unsettling is the fact that his species has already been filmed in live action. So yeah, make-up & the bonus of failing to notice, in post production.

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AE reminded me of Ford's Han Solo and that was good enough. The film was a bit disjointed, but I've watched it more than the Sequels.... so no complaints.

Same.

I'm not sold on that idea my, old friend.... captain Solo was a work in progress during the OT so presenting him as a fully functional, scruffy-looking nerfherder a decade before he's really capable, might've caused its own issues.

The Kessel run failed to meet the hype that all of the passing years built for it.
Sad, because I feel like they went for broke on that whole thing.... and it just falls flat.

Imagine if you will, an Original Trilogy with a Han Solo flying casually around the galaxy far, far away with a DEATH MARK on his head that was placed there by DARTH freaking MAUL.

 

I agree, it was the fault of the make-up artist not doing their respective homework on an established species in the galaxy far far away...

Han Solo, for me was fully established in A New Hope. He is the scoundrel extraordinaire, selfish-rogue with a heart.

Similar to Anakin Skywalker in terms of storytelling development, a young Solo should be different in character from the elder version, but I would have relished a mean spirited child for Anakin, or a child utilizing the force for his own endeavors, a young rogue for Solo would have been delightful as well.

It doesn't matter who they chose for the role, I must emphasize, that its all in the performance of the actor. Jake Lloyd portrayed an innocent child rather convincingly, for me that is, so its truly dramatic to witness the monster he would become. Ironically, IRL he would surrcomb to tragedy as well.... no redemption here... hopefully soon.

 

I should hope we're having a pleasant discussion, or debating diplomatically, rather than arguing... ANYWHO, as a long time comic book connoisseur, I've been having issues with this since the mid 1990s when comic book films and tv shows started to emerge. Especially with the X-Men films in 2000, wearing all black like bunch of black-ops video game characters, rather than their classic colorful costumes, we all are fond of from the books.

I fully understand why colorful costumes don't make any sense at all, but they are superheroes, not humans who have to be covert on deadly missions. Superman dons his red and blue, Captain America, Thor, and Wonder Woman respectively do the same.

Wolverine has his brown colored costume, so rather than his classic yellow and black, the brown would be more appropriate. I am anticipating how the MCU depicts the X-Men when they finally are unleashed to world at large. I believe Wolverine will be wearing casual cloths as seen in the film Logan. Picture Darth Vader wearing a black suit and tie / tuxedo and maybe one may start to understand my conundrum.

Overseas comic books aren't an issue because that audience understands how serious the art form is, American audiences still relate comic books or characters of sci-fi genre for kids.

As an adult, I read mature American comics book like Heavy Metal which was published due to the European's counterparts success, Metal Hurlant:

I have emphasized on numerous occasions, it truly doesn't matter how the actor / actress looks, its truly the performance that matters.

I usually have discussions like these with my friends who think kids still buy comic books HAHA... comic books are expensive. $4.99 for a standard comic book, so if you are collecting multiple series just do the math. $19.99 for collected editions, I have absolute editions and omnibus editions that cost $120 to $200 dollars a pop.

I usually see a kid in a comic book store with their parent who thinks its cute to buy a kid toys and comic books, most comic book buyers are young adults - adults. I'm in the comic book store once a week I don't see kids buying comic books... its an expensive hobby.

It cost me roughly $300 to get 3 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle (TMNT) comic books graded by the CGC not including shipping fees to ensure the books aren't damaged.

Once the books are graded the value of the books increases tremendously. TMNTs issue number 4 is valued at $80, depending on the grading I get form the CGC, it will sell for $196 with a 8.0 grade, to $900 (9.8 grade). I don't know how many kids out there are playing that game, maybe video games, but not this. TMNTs Issues numbers 1-4 on ebay for $3,500.00 US.

My single issue #4, is signed by Kevin Eastman the creator of TMNT, so my issue is selling for $599.00 US signed and graded.

When the Walking Dead was a popular TV series issue #1 of the comic book was selling for $1200 to 2400 dollars US.

Most kids that read comic books in the 70s and 80s are adults now, kids today play video games. They may run into a comic book store cuz they're interested in Spiderman, but regular patrons are adults. I live New York City so it maybe different else where.

A co-worker who has similar interest bought a Batman comic book for $750 US. Plus he collects original art work which sell for $250 to thousands of dollars. He frames it and hangs it on the wall like a Picasso.

 

Your welcome, bro. No seriously, it's hard to refute when the images are staring back at you.

The double bonus on the fail is from the CW depiction - I was and still am totally fine with the Grand Marshmallow's performance in KENOB. Ok the stab was dumb but everybody in that show was immune to it. Anyways, I kept trying to retcon in my head that maybe Sidious swelled his dome up with some force lightning during his training or something. Like, I seriously questioned if the dark side could bloat your head like that, but then I would have a bobble helmet so - I was back to square one with that.

Sure seems like more than one cat didn't get the established continuity memo, but I've never been the forgiving type.

Was Zeb not mo-capped? I mean, he walks like Maul with the Mother Talzin'd legs. I'm sure Serk can replicate Zeb's tip toe gangster swag.

Edit: Mods could easily break this off in their dashboard & start a Pau'an Continuity Thread.

 

Excellent episode.

Din is the stoic warrior king. Such displays are beneath him . But seriously, I think that was ritual we all watched, the passing of talking feather(aptly a killer war hammer for Mandalorians) for addressing the covert on matters of great importance.
The Darksaber raise I believe will occur when we get more of the tribes together as I'm sure they all will not agree on much at all. That will be his day and I hope it feels like this:


Color me slightly disappointed that Zeb didn't say "Karabast". Good to see the old shaved Wookie.

Someone help me out with the fact that there are hundreds? Thousands? of Imperial machines of war just sitting there for use but sorry folks, you're just gonna have to deal with raping and pillaging, it's really a good thing(sarcasm).

 

I don't want to derail this thread, the example I gave above is simply to show how invested I am in Marvel, DC, or Star Wars characters.

At times, it bothers me when the characters aren't depicted in the same manner as the source material, whether it be animated, comic book, or novel; however, if the actor's performance is spot on, it truly doesn't matter how they look, for example the Grand Inquisitor, or Wolverine.

Hugh Jackman portrayed Wolverine rather well, even though he did not don his classic costume ( Wolverine in the comic books is a very short man, the actor who plays Wolverine is tall, nonetheless, Jackman portrayed Wolverine rather well) I saw several people crying in the theater when they watched the film Logan, from their convo I knew they were true comic book fans, so his performance was spot on for some.

 

No derail. Both examples that you cited are spot on. Wolverine IS short, bub and Pau'ans HAVE stretched mellons.... but the performances in live action were so spot on that one ALMOST doesn't notice what they had to trade off to get them. - It's a win. Performance over appearance, always.... look at me. I look like a dufus in this suit but only a Palpatine can say that to my mask. And survive.

 

I enjoyed the episode but I little annoyed that Bo Katan took spot light from The Mando and Grogu, cos she been callled part from both worlds and took her hemlet, not Mando and she see the creature, not Mando, feeling frusrated Is this The Mandalorian (and Grogu) show or Bo Katan show. Little frusrated Bo getting prised and luck. Sorry about my opinion. I repect most characters but Mando and Grogu are main characters and should get abit more. I not thinking Mando as being Super Bounty Hunter or something, but think Bo Katan being one abit.