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SPOILER The Mandalorian S3E5 Chapter 21- The Pirate

Discussion in 'The Mandalorian' started by MBWilson, Mar 29, 2023.

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    Finally got around to watch the episode. Don't get me wrong I love watching the Mandalorian and I've seen a lot of the episodes back and forth many times. But this episode sort of had the same feeling as episode 3, I get that it's a part of a bigger storyline but I sort of miss the silly storylines with Grogu and Din , the ones that make me chuckle and wanting to watch over again.

    And I think that's what I miss.. more storytelling of their relationship. We still have had no reaction from Din with Grogu recovering the sheild. I know it might seem like a small thing to think about, but that's what I liked about the show, the small stuff. Today Grogu was hardly in the episode. I know there has been discussions whether the show would survive without Grogus presence, and I guess I would. It would lose the viewers who only come for that kind of content, but the people who love Star Wars and appreciate the series as a whole would stay.

    I stay for the series as it's whole, but again I do miss the Din & Grogu storyline.

    So far this season it's been mostly about Bo-Katan.. most of the major moments has been about her. I wonder if episode 6 will be her episode where she's gathering the other Mandalorians or whether that will be dealt with of screen. I kind of hope that It will be dealt with of screen..

    This episode was good, I mean the graphics are incredible and we got a longer episode. But huge chunk of the episode was the fight and not a lot of storytelling. If the episode had more scenes with Grogu and Din, it would have been great!

    I will be intrigued what the new land will bring to the Mandalorians. Will they have separate houses? Will Din and Grogu have their own space? :)

    I was intrigued when Captain Carson spotted Bo-Katans ship, It got me wondering where they kept the others? Where was Dins? Separate grotto?
     
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    Grogu needs to start talking.
    A lot of hilarious moments interacting with other characters could see the light. We need another direction of the character and the story.
    I guess showrunners are keeping the most part for season 4, to not reveal everything in this one.

    But I hope to see something more in the last 3 chapters.

    Am one of tose that think season 2 finale was really good and the show could have ended there perfectly.
    Of course I want a lot of Star Wars material but if they wanted Grogu back in BOBF chapters, now they need to give him more protagonism. Hope in season 4 his character will grow a little more.
     
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    Sorry I'm late to this one, great chapter seeing Gorian attempting pirate payback against Nevarro, Carson is back which was great. The Mandalorians come home which is great. I'm glad Grogu got a break & let others take the chapter in this one. It was great that they brought the effects when Gorian's ship crashed & sounds matched when the Executor commanded by Admiral Piett crashed into the Death Star II.
     
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    Fair enough, but I have a couple of counterpoints to think about. Firstly, I don't see the issue with Bo-Katan getting some of the focus this season. Let's be honest, if not for her, well, we wouldn't have Din Djarin, considering he had to be saved twice in episode 2. Her story is tying directly to Din and Grogu's, and in fact, I believe when all is said and done, this is all leading to push their story to the next level. I don't see it as her stealing any focus, the focus is getting wider. Yes, the lone bounty hunter gimmick was cool, but would we still be interested after twenty episodes of that? Din is still the main character of the series and his relationship with Grogu is still the heart of the story.

    Well yes and no... She has been a constant this season. She is the only character other than Din and Grogu to get constant screen time. But, really, until the end of this episode, it hasn't really been centered ON Bo. She has been present. She has shared action. Other characters paid attention to her, she became a part of the storyline, and rightfully so, earned respect. It wasn't until now that she was actually set apart and given her own separate path. Yes, she saw the Mythosaur, but she did so because she was saving Din's life. Now that she is actually getting her own mission, I do not see her screen time going down. Yes, probably some of her work will be off screen, but I have a feeling that she's gonna want Din to join her on her rallying tour, since he has the Darksaber. It's a safe bet she will be maybe even more present for the rest of the season.


    Yes, I think we all love those moments. Much like the bounty hunter thing, though, there is always the risk of overuse of the cuteness. We have gotten a good bit this season, the "no Squeezie", the hyperspace cuddles, the Peli jump-flip, the training darts... I did want some sort of emotional reaction from Din about the new armor, but we didn't get it. Things have to expand, though. They are going to setup spin-off series, and tie to broader storylines. I don't think the underlying story of the father and son relationship is going to go away, but there are going to be other distractions. Hopefully they all fold back in and have a positive impact on that relationship.
     
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    Agreed with everything MBWilson said. I'm personally cool with the focus on Bo-Katan because I really like her character. And between this and episode 3, I'm fine with the increased focus on guest characters, since I like ensemble casts anyway, and learning more about the New Republic has been the highlight of the season for me so far. Plus, I wasn't in favour of the decision to bring Grogu back into the story so quickly anyway. I feel season 3 would've been better if they'd kept Din and Grogu apart for at least an entire season before reuniting.

    That aside though, this was an exciting episode. Gorian Shard was a fun villain. He looks like a seaweed "Swamp Thing" sort of monster, but he has just the right level of goofy charm to make him entertaining.
     
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    Gorian Shard is/was awesome. His voice weirdly reminded me of LeChuck from the Monkey Island games..

    So with the ending of Carson finding the beskar onboard the ship, why is it assumed that it was a mandalorian who freed Moff Gideon? I mean other people have had it in their possession, like the 'Client'. Is it something I missed?
     
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    I should have clarified, he looks like a seaweed monster with the right level of goofy charm. I actually like his design, haha.
     
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    Exactly. I'm taking it as the writers simply using a very broad brush for the casual viewers. Especially as we get deeper into the lore and Canon, we are going to have to put up with info being put out there for the "lowest common denominator" viewers. That's also what I think some of the more hardcore fans and commenters are getting lost in. Having Carson Teva say the words, "Mandalorians took Gideon?" Put that out there in no uncertain terms. As you said, we do know that there are other more dubious groups that have Beskar, plus it has been stressed throughout the series that Mandos cherish the stuff, so it's unlikely that they would leave it behind at such a crime scene. So we as the knowledgeable, as well as the casual viewers, are all left to draw conclusions. Sure, us nerds are making wild speculation and accusing every Mandalorian in existence, or trying to tie Legends stuff into this situation, which again, is probably clouding people's judgement. While others are thinking there is some unknown faction of Mandalorians out there working with Gideon. I had a very casual viewer ask me if I thought maybe it was Bo-Katan's former followers that she mentioned were crossing the Galaxy as Mercenaries... I found that very interesting because I have yet to see anyone here or on YT, etc... even mention them as a possibility. Koala Reeves and Axe Woves are out there in the stolen fleet, they could have been hired by someone to jailbreak Gideon. I have to think it is a set-up intended to pit the NR against Bo, Din, and the Children of the Watch.
     
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    I thought during the Purge of Mandalore the Empire stole the beskar which is why it's so hard to come by. So for there to be beskar alloy on the ship that is transporting Moff Gideon doesn't sound at all surprising. For me it would be more weird as you said if it was in Mandalore possession, and they left it behind.

    Who is actually wearing beskar in their suits part from Din.. and Grogus shield?
     
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    I think they all have beskar armour. It's just that Din's, and now Grogu's, is unpainted.
     
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    You think? I mean Din had to steal Grogu to even get a hold of beskar, and it was then seen as a big reward. The other mandos armour just looks similar to what he had in episode 1.
     
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    I’m looking at it differently. Why would someone like Moff Gideon have gotten the Dark Saber in the first place if he wasn’t a Mandalorian?

    My guess is that we’re going to learn Moff is a Mandalorian and that his evil covert rescued him. I expect we’re going to get our first look at him this season wearing a cool-looking Black Mando helmet (still with his black cape, of course.). :)
     
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    I know Bo-Katan saved Din, he ask for help when he in toruble. But annoyed Bo get to took her helmet and get praise on seeing both worlds and be part of Bounty Hunter group and it not Din and also priase cos she saw the creature. Maybe cos I like Din and Grogu. Don't mind there some episodes that has no Din and Grogu at all. It just. At end of the episode, priase on Bo, I feel it should be Din, And Bo should have her own show. My brother even say Din should give black lightsaber to Bo. Again it's my opinion. I see this season wasn't doing, but I know most of you don't believe it and say shouldn't believe what said on the internet. But First two season did well and more airtime on Din and Grogu. Have No problem with Bo at all, and she saved Din. I not asking the series to be just Din and Grogu and not asking to focus more on Din and Grogu.
     
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    Carson Teva poster will deserved for this guy.

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    Oh that's a cool theory. And definitely a confusing scenario emotionally. Din's worst enemy turning out to be a mandalorian..
     
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    I know Bo-Katan saved Din, he ask for help when he in toruble. But annoyed Bo get to took her helmet and get praise on seeing both worlds and be part of Bounty Hunter group and it not Din and also priase cos she saw the creature. Maybe cos I like Din and Grogu. Don't mind there some episodes that has no Din and Grogu at all. It just. At end of the episode, priase on Bo, I feel it should be Din, And Bo should have her own show. My brother even say Din should give black lightsaber to Bo. Again it's my opinion. I see this season wasn't doing, but I know most of you don't believe it and say shouldn't believe what said on the internet. But First two season did well and more airtime on Din and Grogu. Have No problem with Bo at all, and she saved Din. I not asking the series to be just Din and Grogu and not asking to focus more on Din and Grogu.

    (I have to redo this again, did a mistake in my last post.)
     
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    It hasn't really been covered in detail, but it seems like most Mandalorian armor contains some Beskar, like different Beskar alloys... I'm also guessing that Beskar in increasingly valuable because Mandalore is no longer mining the ore, and the Empire did seize a great deal of it during the Purge. We know Din acquired a lot of it from the Client, and the Armorer collected all the armor from the fallen Covert members in Season 1, so she must have a stockpile.

    Obviously, Grogu's armor would have the same shiny silver finish, since they are the same Clan, I also think it was some sort of hint that she didn't paint Bo's replacement piece, and it has the same style as Din's armor.

    Maul wasn't a Mandalorian... and I think we are going down a very similar path with Gideon. It's very likely that he "won" the Darksaber legitimately from Bo, and he may very well have a sect of followers. What I like about this theory is that it further pushes the question, "What makes a Mandalorian?" Gideon invaded Mandalore, slaughtered the people, plundered their resources, and left the planet as a wasteland. So he has the Darksaber and Mando armor, does that make him a Mandalorian?

    My take is that Gideon is a poser. A wannabe. He wants to be a Mandalorian, he wants to be force-sensitive, he wants to be Vader. What he doesn't seem to get is that it takes more than cool outfits and gadgets to be like any of those. He obviously has resources at his disposal, whether they are his or his bosses, and he is justly feared by his subordinates. But that isn't seemingly enough for him. We saw behind his curtain in Chapter 16. He basically surrendered to Din despite having the superior weapon and a squad of Stormtroopers and Darktroopers. He looked like he was wetting his pants when Luke showed up, and he even attempted to off himself. Dude's a loser.

    That being said, I low-key hope you are right, @Darth Derringer , at least partially, because I would LOVE to see Gideon have a secret group of Empire-loyal Mandalorian warriors, like Gar Saxon and his guys were, and see them go up against Bo and her reunited Mandalorian Nation. As far as Gideon in his shiny black armor, complete with Maul-like horns, that IS going to happen, and it will be GLORIOUS! Hopefully this Wednesday.
     
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    Pacing this season has been interesting. While past seasons have been more of a "Monster of the Week" kind of show with an overarching story in the background (much like Buffy the Vampire Slayer), this season is much less episodic... more like something like Game of Thrones.

    I know a lot of people have been frustrated with it, but I'm actually a big fan. I think it was the right move for the show. Granted, I thought Season 2 was a bit of a mess, and I realize I'm probably in the minority with that opinion.
     
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