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The Republic is done... again?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Turambar, Dec 23, 2015.

  1. Turambar

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    So the Starkiller base destroyed the Hosnian System which was the New Republic seat at the time of TFA, destroying along the way the Senate and its Fleet. Does it mean the New Republic is over? I've been trying to search information about it but I haven't found anything. I don't know if someone knows more about it or what are your thoughts?
     
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    Destroying the senate means temporary chaos due to disrupting the bureaucracy of the Republic, the member worlds could simply elect new representatives and establish a new capital the very next day if that's what they want. Rebuilding the fleet will also be a challenge but the Resistance managed to destroy Starkiller so the First Order is set back as well. So what we will most likely see after this is a period of intense arms race between the Republic and the First Order, and whoever musters an effective force first will strike first.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily say the Republic is done... but it's definitely taken a major setback.
     
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    This. They lost the senate and their entire fleet, so there will be chaos. The Resistance is the only thing which can defend them and they barely have a handful of X-Wings.
     
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    Err, where does it say Hosnia Prime is/was the new Republic capital?
     
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    In "Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary", which is part of the official canon.

    Link to Wookieepedia: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hosnian_Prime
     
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    Assuming that the entire Resistance were stationed on D'Qar...
    And maybe there are smaller republic squadrons spread throughout the Galaxy who can join the cause?

    The Novel, Visual Dictionary, Star Wars Databank:

    http://www.starwars.com/databank/hosnian-prime

    The movie does briefly touch on it, as Hux's speech prior to firing talks about destroying the Republic senate and their "cherished fleet" with the Starkiller weapon. The movie just doesn't do a good job of telling audiences that was what they actually destroyed at that stage.
     
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    I think what we'll see now is all out Civil War. There will be a vacuum of power created by the loss of the Republic Fleet and Senate. FO lost Starkiller, but I'd guess that wasn't the entire might of their forces in the Unknown Regions. My guess is that when we pick back up in Ep VIII, the FO and Republic Remnants will be in open war for control of the galaxy.
     
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    Losing the senate doesn't necessarily mean civil war. The senate are simply representatives from every planet, planets that have already agreed to be part of an intergalactic community. That's like say if all the U.S. senators died tomorrow Kentucky would all of a sudden declare war on Mississippi...ok bad example but the point stands.
     
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    I think and hope that also. Besides I wouldn't like the Republic to be done again. It would feel like all the Rebel Alliance accomplished was for nothing. I don't know if you guys think the same.
     
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    But they also took out the majority of the Republic Fleet, leaving the Republic unguarded except for the limited remains of the Resistance and whatever remnants of the Republic fleet were elsewhere.

    The visual dictionary makes reference to a fleet of Resurgent Class Star Destroyers and rumors of even larger ships in the FO fleet. I would bet that we will see The FO move on the now defenseless Republic turning the cold war hot.
     
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    The Republic is an idea, the concept that we should all be part of a huge government where everyone is represented. That idea does not disappear simply because our representatives were killed. I live in the United States, and the country isn't going to forget that it's part of America just because the senators get killed in a terrorist attack.
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    Yes, the main concern at the end of TFA is whether or not the Republic has a means of defending itself militarily while the government tries to get back on track. Even though Starkiller is gone, the First Order still has significant military hardware that the Resistance could not match. If anyone's a student of history, the next movie might be similar to the Battle of Britain, where British pilots use superior skills and limited resources to fend off Nazi Germany's attempt to invade and overwhelm England.
     
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    There is the implication that some systems could still be loyal to the Empire as they resisted Leia's attempts to rebuild the military. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they would join The FO if they invade.
     
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    they will join the Resistance
     
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    Enter Supreme Chancellor Leia, and her revenge against Ben, Snoke, and the FO. Seriously, they've got to give her emergency war-time powers or something. Every representative is dead. Who else they gonna get with her experience?
    leia.jpg
     
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    I'm hoping we'll see all out war between Republic remnants and the First Order. I don't see how the New Republic can pretend the First Order is not a real threat after what happened in The Force Awakens.
     
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    The Repiblic wasn't destroyed, rather the actual, physical systems and I'm sure not every single core member of the senate, and whoever else, would have been on the new Capitol, let alone its core Hosnian System. It's similar to how Lincoln and all back in the day had a contingency plan to move the Capitol to California or Texas or something like that. Similarly, I'm sure The New Republic. I mean, if The Empire was (nearly) completely eliminated over time AND STILL SURVIVE, The NR COULD survive one destruction to a system . If anything, they'd move the new-new Capitol BACK to Coryscant .
     
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    Yes I guess you are right, the Republic is an ideal. Also at first it shocked me a bit the destruction of a whole system and the seat of the New Republic nonetheless. But now that I come to think better of it, that wouldn't bother me as much as it did the first time I saw the movie. Also as you and other said it's unlikely that the NR is done, just crippled.

    You're right. Now that I thought more about it I don't think the Republic is destroyed completely. I just wanted to know the reflections of you guys on the matter.
     
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    I wouldn't say the Republic is gone, just looking doomed. What was taken out was Hosnian Prime, if that's spelled correct.

    The Republic fleet must have been stationed there. The FO just cut off the head of beast that is the new Republic.

    I'll bet the FO will capitalise on the chaos.
     
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    I think that's definitely going to be the case. The First Order would be stupid to not at least take a few system off of the Republic since they have the Finalizer and an actual army while the Resistance is just a bunch of knuckleheads like Nien Nunb who still dare to fight no matter the odds. If the First Order rolls up on an undefended planet, they'll have no choice but to submit.
     
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