SPECULATION Tone of the Third Trailer?

I highly doubt they will take that risk. He's 84. Not that he can't do the voice because I'm sure he can. It's the question of how his health will be in another 4 years when I needs to do it then.

 

Kudos for any and all Marx Brother references, very rare in a Star Wars forum, but so beloved anyway.

I doubt "awakening" is a theme for this one, it was essentially the theme for the first one and suits a "first" trailer more than a third. Meh, what do I know though?

Also I want it on record that I was the first to predict we would see a Kubaz in this trailer. That's a one in a million shot, but it will make me look wiser than I really am when it comes true.

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I envision Kylo as a surly, sarcastic, psychotic villain, unpredictable, violent and moody, which probably requires a whole different beat and timber than Darth Vader. We already know what Snoke sounds like, a ridiculously low-toned, cartoonish, modulated pile of "standard Hollywood uber villain voice".

I don't see a lot of room for Snoke to be cool, he'll have an ominous theme, some cool lighting and some cartoonish ridiculously deep voice and that's all she wrote. A huge yawn for me, but I'll also admit, these often become some people's favorite characters. Raw, evil power just turns some fans on. But personally, I never liked the "behind the scenes" villains much. Darkseid and Thanos bore me to tears. I'm more of a Solomon Grundy kind of guy. <-- pure opinion only there, do not wish to ruffle the feathers of those who already like Snoke.

Kylo is far more interesting and I wager he's not like Vader at all. That's part of his angst and his struggle, he's overshadowed by legends that came before him and lacks the skills and experience to compete. So he seeks to associate himself with these great legends of the past. This makes him unstable, moody and insecure. I think there might be a chaotic element to Kylo that in some ways is the antithesis of Vader, and I also think could produce some great drama. Characters who use fire a lot in these trope-laden franchises TEND to be a little nuts and unpredictable.

It also explains why Rey's alleged dig that "you'll never be Darth Vader" cuts him to the core. Ten cent opinion there only.

I hope he sounds DISTINCTLY different from the cookie cutter voice Serkis is giving us for Snoke.

 

I think that since the last trailer mostly showed us what we see from the perspective of the skywalker crew (uplifting music) i think the 3rd trailer will feature the point of view of everything that is closely related to content that is more descriptive of a darker and Newer musical theme from john williams that have not heard yet.

 

I've said it before, and I stand by it: I really expect the 'theme' of the first trailer proper to be consolidation of the SW Saga as a whole.

JJ et al need to achieve two things: they need to convince audiences that TFA is a cool new movie, and they need to convince an audience that TFA is a Star Wars movie. Not a reboot, not a re-imagining--an actual Star Wars movie. The obvious way to achieve this is to reveal new footage in the context of the old. I really think at least half the trailer will be "Hey, remember how cool Star Wars is"-type recapping of the story so far. I also expect VO and images from the 7 movies to overlap each other, further promoting the idea of unification and also leading to more "why did they juxtapose that dialogue with that image. JJ likes his intrigue, and he knows we fans love an enigma, too.

Furthermore, this is Disney's opportunity to stick their brand on the franchise. I doubt they'd want to miss that opportunity.

So, function of trailer is two-fold: get people excited about Star Wars by showcasing the best of the story-so-far, and instil the idea that TFA will be as good as the best of the Saga-so-far.

Themes I think will be raised in support of this: family, responsibility, family, passing on knowledge, family, moral ambiguity and family.

I'd be happy with all that, but part of me wants to be wrong and be utterly surprised by something left-field -- I just don't think TPTB would risk that at this point, though....

 

I wanna hear Kylo Ren as the narrator, maybe speaking about the Force. But what I really wanna see. I mean really wanna see, is Wicket! ROFL! Only joking, I wanna see who's holding the Vader helmet.

 

I expect the third trailer to follow the same pattern as the previous two: it'll feature the info that's been leaked since the last trailer. So we'll see Ackbar, Nien Nunb, Leia, that shot of Han, Rey, and Finn in the Falcon, presumably more shots of the new stormtroopers. But if this is the theatrical trailer that we hope, then I think we'll get quite few glimpses at the action scenes: maybe a lightsaber clash or two, probably another clip of the Falcon flying, a few ships firing at each other, maybe a quick shot of the new superweapon. Basically, I don't expect any huge revelations, like seeing Luke or Snoke or hearing Kylo, but rather that we'll just see more of what we already know, which I'd be fine with as I don't really want to see a whole lot more until I actually see the movie. The theme? "Something epic this way comes."

I respect your opinion here, but I'm pretty much the opposite. So far, Kylo seems kind of a yawn to me, but that's partly due to my knowledge of the Legends story of Jacen Solo, of which Kylo's story seems to be borrowing. I was a huge fan of Jacen, but Kylo seems like a watered-down version of him; whether he's a Solo, a Skywalker, or neither, a character following in the footsteps of Vader just seems trite. I could be entirely wrong, and I kind of hope I am; if he's the trilogy-long baddie that he seems to be, I want to be interested and vested in this character.

Snoke, on the other hand, is a chance to deliver a "behind the scenes" villain uniquely distinct from Palpatine. I have some personal hopes for the character that can be viewed in the Darth Plagueis thread, but basically I can see him being a villain who struggles with his place as the villain. Andy Serkis doesn't do just one-note mo-cap characters, and I hope he continues that tradition with Snoke. But again, I could be wrong and he ends up being just another Hollywood-style "Bigger Bad."

 

Totally cool you dig Snoke more than Kylo.

But I love that Kylo hesitates before he fires the weapon, he isn't a paper thin ubermensch villain, I like my villains with more spirit, say a Joker instead of Galactus. Personal vendettas, conflicted emotions and tactical villains are far more interesting. Kingpin in the recent Netflix series for example was really well written because of his flaws and the fact he's still learning how to be Kingpin. We get to see him grow.

The "Ta Da! It's Lord Evil everybody, now let's fight!" style was precisely why Maul was so disappointing, I still don't really know a damn thing about him if I only look at the film. Hell, even his name is mentioned only once I think? He is purely an obstacle. Period. Kylo (I hope) will be a slow burn, like Vader in the OT you learn more about him each film and you grow to understand him more after each film.

I'm convinced Snoke will live or die by how cool he looks. Most villains of his type usually do. If the appearance projects male power well and he is ruthless and cold then fans who love that type will adore him. One of the ways to make him work is to use him sparingly so he always seems both mysterious and omnipotent. In fact the more "powerful" he allegedly is, the more fans will like them. The worst cases actually say, "yeah but Snoke can crush entire stars if sufficiently angered therefore he's the coolest", as if exposition could somehow be measured by a beaker and measured for quality. Fans love very powerful characters. There's a reason why a lot of Marvel fans adore Galactus.

But the real joy of the discussion is the realization that it does matter if you think Kylo>Snoke or Snoke>Kylo, because we both dig Star Wars. We dig it for different reasons. That is very unique to Star Wars, ask 100 Star Wars fans why they love the series and you'll get about 78 different answers. Want proof? My wife's favorite character is Aunt Beru. I kid you not.

So good on ya for sticking up for Snoke and insisting he'll be cool, I hope you are precisely right.

 

I think we actually agree on what makes a cool villain, just not on which one of the two will personify these traits. I'm probably dead-wrong about my Snoke theories, but I'm hoping he's more than just some "all-powerful, barely seen but always felt" bad guy. On the other hand, I get the feeling that Kylo is going to be less of a conflicted villain and more of a caricature that only exists to give the characters a reason to ignite a lightsaber or two.

Well, as you say, everyone approaches the saga from their own perspective...I guess she doesn't get to see all that much of her favorite then, eh? Lol. No, I agree entirely: this franchise still exists because it appeals to virtually everyone. Even people I know that don't love Star Wars can find something they think is cool about it all, or at least have a very personal reason for not liking it. It's myth in the best way, a universal story that anyone can connect with.

 

I hope not, I hope Kylo is precisely NOT just an obstacle villain. You're just wasting Adam Driver's talents if you do that.

I think you can say JJ did not do too well with Khan and even the villain in his first Star Trek film was not that strong. So there is precedence for his villains being flat and largely pieces of exposition rather than actual characters. And I thought Benedict's performance was largely flat and I love him as an actor. The original Khan I was an awesome slow burn, too slow for 21st century cinema of course, but the arc was far more interesting. The entire arc was taken away and instead JJ just plops Khan into the center of the film's universe screaming, "I am going to kill you all RAWR!!!!" Bah, bad writing. Khan wasn't a character, he was the plot, literally the thing they were negotiating over and chasing for little to no reasonable reason. I say again, "bad writing". That opinion right there infuriates a lot of Trek fans though, so yeah, it takes a village.

Kylo's primary image right now is fire, that suggest anger, chaos, retribution and reckless if not controlled. Snoke is controlling him. I'm sticking with this. Final answer Alex.

I'll say this, if Kylo doesn't work and Snoke is kind of flat, it probably won't hurt the film too much. But if Snoke is cool but Kylo is just this awful villain made of nothing but a mustache twirl, then the film is in serious trouble. Kylo is one of the main columns holding the film up. He has to work.

I'd say a hint as to whether anyone will like him is to search your feelings for when you first saw him appear in the first trailer. I know how I felt. But just think of how many people bailed on the film on the fire sword alone. He could divide the community again like Jar-Jar did. It can happen. I don't think so though, he may not be a home run but I have great faith he'll be (at least) a sharp double laced into the right field gap. Will be fun to revisit the thread and see if my confidence is rewarded or shattered.

 

I'm kind of stabbing my own theory in the back here, but I have to point out that JJ did not write either of his Trek films, he just directed them, whereas he did co-write TFA.

I'll agree with you that Kylo has to work, and I guess when I think about it more that I don't really have a problem with him so far (except his name...I still really don't like "Kylo Ren" and hope he gets a much better title in the film or at least that it sounds better than in my head). I'm just a huge proponent of Snoke (another name I'm not too happen with, but again we'll see how it sounds in the film).


To stay on topic though, I had another thought about the trailer; we've seen a heavy focus on the Force so far in trailers 1 & 2, it would be cool to see a little more of the "Wars" aspect. Maybe we'll get a few more looks at Poe Dameron! (btw, this is still my favorite new-name so far!)

 

Point taken about the writing in Star Trek!

I'm pretty sure whatever flashes of space combat you see will fly really fast CGI labs are fussy about releasing too much footage because sometimes it's not always the best example of what's to come (because the more complicated work takes more time). The water effect was outstanding, because it implied X-Wing battles along the surface, which had a lot of nerds like me saying, "hey that's cool."

I'm watching trailers from III again to get something relative to what we're guessing now. First of all, no Revenge of the Sith trailer hit the home run note that the last TFA trailer did. In fact, the last teaser is a downright sloppy mess.

But one pattern I see is speed, nothing is on screen for more than 5 seconds, and most of it is even less than 3 seconds. There's a shot of Yoda in the last Episode III trailer that is ridiculously short. Also foo on CGI Yoda's brow shrinking slightly when he scowls instead of how the puppet moved, but I digress.

Space combat is there, but the flashes are oh so swift and each one full of kinetic energy.

What's weird about III is because everyone knew the plot, they used that to sell the film and you get this, "look its Darth Vader at the end guys" trailer as almost the singular excuse to see the film.

I'm fairly sure this trailer won't do that, this trailer will flirt with the Mystery Box theory all day long and like the last one told through narration from the OT, (which by the way was also used to sell III).

I'm still standing behind that this one might be more skewed to Leia's perspective and that she delivers the fun, HURRAH line at the end of the trailer.

 

Agreed. I think that by that point, LFL was banking on people seeing the film no matter what because it was billed as "The last Star Wars movie ever!" ("Sloppy" could also be applied to the film, but that' a whole other topic). I also think that the PT trailers revealed way too much about the plot of each film, I'm hoping that isn't the case for the theatrical trailer of TFA. Most of us on here already know a good amount about it, but there's reading rumors and speculation, then there's actually seeing spoilers in the trailer itself (like the trailer for the new Terminator).

 

Bobbajo. Three minutes of Bobbajo.

 

I want a trailer that tells us a little bit about the story but doesn't give us the whole film in an trailer..

 

two more teasers starting with dark trailor

imperial march turn, slowly, with the imperial march very slow version over the top. Another shot of kylo igniting his lightsaber, Phasma moving. Tie's destroying things and flame trooper mowing down huts. Then a shot of snoke from behind "Embrace your destiny"

 

Two more teasers? Can't see that happening. We'll get a full trailer next and then get some tv spots closer to release.

 

I think/hope it takes on a lighter tone than the previous trailers. While the previous two were great, they didn't address one of the most important aspects of Star Wars, the adventure. Perhaps they could showcase footage from the Falcon chase, some lines from Dameron, and a rip-roaring performance of the Star Wars theme.

 

I don't think it'll be a lighter or darker tone. It'll give us a good idea of the tone of the movie itself, the new characters, teases of the old characters and the stakes. Although, I think the stakes will purely be implied in the form of explosions, people in danger and maybe snokes voice at the end.

 

Now we just need to wait until September for the trailer