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SPECULATION What Exactly Has Awakened, Besides the Force?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by D1474, Feb 2, 2015.

  1. D1474

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    Ok, another wild speculation thread (I do this weekly haha)…this time on Andy Serkis’ and Max Von Sydow’s respective characters…because…I think we have seen them before. Also a nod to some spoilery info we have recieved. Stop now if you are spoiler free.

    Now, I didn’t tag this post as “Spoiler” because those get a ton of clicks and this isn’t FACT info or even something from the “inside”…its merely specualtory, BUT there are spoilers for the The Clone Wars cartoon in case others, like myself, are just now catching up on them via Netflix after word that they are official canon.


    If you saw season three of TCW, you have likely come across the central episodes surrounding the arc of Mortis. This was a rather interesting arc…quick rundown.


    Luke, Obi, Ahsoka…pulled in their starship toward a floating cube.
    Inside said cube is a world strong in the force
    Beings on the world include: The Father, The Daughter, and the Son.
    The Father brings balance to the Force by controlling his Daughter (The Light) and his Son (The Dark).
    He knew Anakin was the chosen one, brought him to Mortis purposefully to take his place in controlling both sides. As we see in the series, Anakin can do this…he is the chosen one…BUT at a cost.
    The Son…eager to turn Anakin to the dark side, escape the cube of Mortis, and control the Galaxy…shows Anakin his future. Shows him that he will become Darth Vader and bring pain and death in his wake.
    Anakin is mind wiped, MIB style, by the father and doesn’t remember it. He does remember that he is the chosen one, but continues on with this life.
    He helps the Father stop the Son, they both die, along with the Daughter who dies at the hands of the Son.
    Luke, Obi, and Ahsoka leave.


    Now, that is ALL CANON…all of it.


    The thing is…There has been an awakening as per trailer dialogue. I have begun to wonder if Mortis MUST exist and the deaths within the cube are not forever. Could the Daughter, Son, and Father all be back? Maybe so.

    Max Von Sydow as the father, Andy Serkis as the son, and possibly the daughter still a mystery, dead still, or not yet revived...maybe even killed again by the Son. It makes sense that Andy Serkis would use all lines from the trailer when speaking to “The Father”. Their roles may not be vastly important as of yet, but this would lend to a character that has “been through some stuff” and Von Sydow would have been around since the PT. This arc was eye opening to me, and isn’t something we have discussed as a main part of the movie. If the “son” esapes, as was planned, he would definitely go find another to aid him like he attempted with Anakin…thus Kylo Ren. This WOULD make Serkis an “Uber” character for sure. If the father leaves to stop him, it would make sense for him to find someone strong in the force to aid him. This could all happen pre-TFA and be something that’s occurring in the shadows. The Father would likely need Luke or Leia to take the place of the “Daughter” as a super powered entity of full light side power to stop him, while his trained Jedi padawans/knights helped to physically stop Kylo Ren.
    Mortis, the cube, at this point could be unstable. We know there was power enough in the force within the cube to pull the starship inside…without stable balance within…could it…”Catapult” a planet? Or even be used as a weapon via the Force. It would sure be nice if there were a super strong Light side Jedi around to help balance the thing while Kylo Ren and the Son were defeated to keep it from wreaking havoc on the galaxy.
    Anyways, just my thoughts. Whattya think?
     
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    I found your thought interesting I doubt Max's character & Andy's are related I can see your point of the father,son & daughter returning but I think after seeing the clone war series I don't think they will make a return, it was a good episode the son knew when Anakin was willing to turn to the darkside to save Padme at the expense of the jedi he knew Anakin will fall, Kylo Ren is a new type of villain we have not seen before, the daughter sacrifice her life energy to revive Ashoka & the father killed himself to allow Anakin to kill the son, Luke & Leia will not fall like the son & daughter did. Im sure of it.
     
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    Just taking a far away possibility and intertwining it with what we have heard hehe. Its fun to speculate daily.
     
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    The Force went for long hibernation when Lucas got pissed at complains of the prequels and when Disney bought over, they awakened the force. Therefore, The Force Awakens!

    Sorry, I can't help it! LOL

    But I like your speculations!
     
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    Before we got the title and trailer, I made this fan poster hoping the Mortis trilogy would be a focus. I should update it with the new title, images from the trailer, and get a bearded Luke picture.

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    I think the title "The Force Awakens" is simply a metaphor for new force user's on the rise.
    Luke accomplished his quest, nothing was left, he was the last Jedi and force user in the galaxy.
    Years later, after rebuiliding and recreation, the vacuum is gone and new players are showing up who want to partcipate on the playing field.
     
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    Hm... Not sure I entirely go with that speculation, but I certainly think it has something to it. It certainly would make the ST interesting... but going that route would put it all into mystical things and whatnot. That said, Disney is no stranger to dabbling with wizards and weird stuff. For general audiences though, I'm not sure if they would venture so far in that direction. Not to mention it possibly relying on people having watched (and understood) that story arc.

    Still intriguing though. I could warm up to it quickly if it turns out to be true.

    Also, I feel I must correct you when you twice misnamed Anakin as Luke in your Mortis arc quick rundown. Honest mistake. :p
     
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    I'm pretty obsessive about Star Wars, and I liked the Mortis arc in TWC because it added a little bit of the mystical back into the Force. But even I found it a little left-field for one of the more "mainstream" flagship properties. The films are, arguably, the most mainstream of the properties, and they'll probably want to be as simple and direct as possible. To get the Mortis elements into TFA, they'd have to do a whole lot of clunky exposition that'll make the non-die-hards, like casual fans and SW newbies, out there roll their eyes a bit. So I'm pretty doubtful they'd use any of it in the film.
     
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    Q: What exactly has awakened in The Force Awakens?
    A: The Force.

    /thread

    (In all seriousness, I think the thread title could be a bit clearer... Something like 'How has the force Awakened in TFA?' or 'Theories on How the Force Awakens in TFA'... my bobo opinion. Maybe it was clear to other schmarter people. If so, my bad.)
     
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    I probably should have changed it a little, but I didn’t expect it to last long.
    In general I meant. “What” in terms of “an object” or “people” as opposed to just “The Force”.
     
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    Aah, gotcha. Thanks!

    Personally I think it's a combination of objects/things and the MD's (MiniDiscs lolz) in people.

    The objects likely to awaken include:

    Sith artifacts (they are imbued with dark side energy... perhaps not literally, but psychologically they have a hold on our collector)
    Luke's missing lightsaber -- the rumored race to find it/race to unlock it can be seen as an awakening of a weapon which has been sleeping, etc.)
    A dark side crypt -- does our collector stumble upon a literal burial ground for Uber Sith?
    The great and powerful weapon (It may be powered by the force or designed to destroy force beings/planets)


    The people likely to awaken include:

    Finn
    Rey
    Luke (He's been playing Rip Van Winkle of his own FREE will)
    Uber (Been playing Rip Van Winkle TRAPPED against his will)
    Leia (Perhaps she begins to use the force in some capacity... to further political agendas... not a good thing)
    Luke's mystery kid (if one exists and isn't just Rey via adopted kid since her folks passed away)
     
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    Do you want me to change it?
     
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    Yeah, I hope that’s the case. The force just becomes MORE!
    That way all the following episodes and spinoffs are more accessible. More new Jedi, more awesome stuff occurring.
    Ive feared, like others on the board, that it dampens the “balance” of the Force that Anakin brought about…but I think its pretty likely it doesn’t negate his story with something big like this.

    Yes @Voxx, you may change it to a more suitable title.
     
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    haha appropriate for sure
     
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