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What Makes a Star Wars movie?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by Lock_S_Foils, Jan 12, 2020.

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What are the essential elements of a Star Wars movie?

  1. 1. A crawl/scroll setting up the opening of the movie

    8 vote(s)
    34.8%
  2. 2. A sweeping orchestral score with themes for major characters

    16 vote(s)
    69.6%
  3. 3. Starships that emit steam from doorways

    7 vote(s)
    30.4%
  4. 4. Snarky humor

    8 vote(s)
    34.8%
  5. 5. Plucky droids

    9 vote(s)
    39.1%
  6. 6. Cool, interesting species from around the Galaxy

    16 vote(s)
    69.6%
  7. 7. A redemption plot

    2 vote(s)
    8.7%
  8. 8. Geared towards children

    5 vote(s)
    21.7%
  9. 9. Interesting planets and locations

    19 vote(s)
    82.6%
  10. 10. Jedi and Sith

    6 vote(s)
    26.1%
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  1. Philo

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    The simplest criterion to define 'Star Wars': it's set "A long time ago in that Galaxy far, far away". Nothing more, nothing less.

    But this implies the following: it's set in a 'mythical' age and location, the 'sci-fi' aspect is merely in the background: the spaceships, the weapons, the aliens... It's a myth in the first place. And myths are generally stories in a different 'world' mirroring the actual world we live in. No wonder that political, social, spiritual themes recur.

    Good characters? That's part of the success but (luckily) other films have good characters too.
    Great orchestral score? That's part of the game, but (luckily) other films have iconic scores too.
    An opening crawl? The quality of the movie does not depend on it. But it does set apart the 'Skywalker Saga' which is still the main dish on the Star Wars menu.

    A lot of creative freedom is given in this universe, there are a lot of 'worn out' locations and starships like Jakku or the Millenium Falcon but also hypermodern 'clean' Kamino or a Naboo cruiser. There are stories about spiritual knights, but also about bounty hunters or smugglers. Everything is possible. That's why it keeps on going.

    Why the many recurring themes and the reharsments and the rhyming? Because it's simply the 'human condition': good and evil, fall and redemption, coming of age, searching for a purpose in life, family, friendship, compassion, war and peace...

    In the end every human story is but another version of the one archetypal story.
     
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    Good story telling, that is what makes Star Wars good. That for me is what makes the OT stand above PT and ST.

    It's not the plot or characters or world building, though they are good, they are means to an end, that ending being the story in OT of Luke and his journey to become a Jedi. IMHO story is the most important thing, and that is what makes Star Wars work best, when the storytelling is good. I started putting together a video essay series on YouTube, breaking this all down, I'll link below, only done 1 so far for ANH, but working on going through all of them.

    But the basics of it, at least what I think, is that is the main thing that makes OT work so well and newer movies not so much. OT movies had a theme, a narrative goal they were getting at and were focused in getting that across to us. PT had a narrative goal more or less, due to the existence of the OT, but got itself caught up in a lot of world plot stuff, blockades and senate hearings and so on. ST, didn't really have an overall goal, they weren't really telling a coherent story, and that's why the movies end up feeling disconnected.
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    Here is the link I mentioned,

     
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    the characters
    or maybe lasers
     
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    1. This is going to sound crazy but the ONLY thing in the list that I think is essential is “interesting planets and locations.” Everything else on this list are elements which have already been taken away and still feel like Star Wars, or I wish they would be taken away (if only just to see if it works for audiences.)
      See below (disregard the random numbers. I messed up on the formatting):

      crawl/scroll setting up the opening of the movie (Solo and Rogue One did it. I consider those Star Wars films.)
      A sweeping orchestral score with themes for major characters (Mandalorian did not, for the most part, and I consider that Star Wars.)
      Starships that emit steam from doorways (I would like to see an entire film set on Naboo, Tatooine, etc.)
    2. Snarky humor (The prequels did not really. I would like to see something a totally serious film).
      Plucky droids (The Last Jedi probably had the least “droid” characters.)
    3. Cool, interesting species from around the Galaxy (Rogue One, apart from a robot and a few side characters in the rebel alliance, not too many aliens.)
      A redemption plot (not necessarily.)
      Geared towards children (This is another one I would love to see. I have argued in other threads that there should be live action films starring children geared for children. Most people disagreed with me, but I still believe Disney should do this.)
      Interesting planets and locations (This is the one I voted for in the poll.
    4. Jedi and Sith (Solo and Mandalorian season 1.)
     
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    I fully agree with the locations being essential but too me what makes a Star Wars movie is the fact there will always be conflict of some sort between good and bad. Even when the bad defeat the good(Sith defeating the rebels) or the good defeat the bad(Rebels defeating the sith) they will always have people trying to bring peace or bring chaos and it’s the individuals who have the power to make the right decisions that for obvious reasons have the biggest impact on the movie. Am just expanding my own viewpoint on what’s already said. Might be confusing to read....... :D
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    And I also fell that’s what relates to a lot of individuals whether they are struggling with themselves or with elements around them it connects me and everyone else to the emend conflict :D
     
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    Lucasfilm, usually.
     
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    Laser SWORDS.
     
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    These guys:

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    Put one of those wandering around in the background and you've got yourself a Star Wars film.
     
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    solo?
     
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    Still had a laser sword.
     
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    damn you maul
     
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    I would ad "A story about hope and courage" for my self @Lock_S_Foils
    :D
     
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    Stone spiral staircases often glimpsed through arched doorways is something I'm adding to my list of things that I think make something Star Warsy.

    I remember seeing such things in the frames of Al Williamson's classic Star Wars newspaper strips and thinking, "Yeah, those make this seem just like something from Star Wars".

    They're obviously not on the spaceships, but they're down on the planets our heroes often find themselves on, from Tatooine in ANH and through to whatever that planet is where Poe meets his lady friend in TROS, and of course in episodes of The Mandalorian.

    So yeah, I expect to see more stone spiral staircases often glimpsed through arched doorways in future shows and movies, or they just won't feel like Star Wars.
     
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    Having been raised on a sci-fi diet of people running down claustrophobic corridors of clearly "affordable" production value in Dr Who. One of the main attractions of Star Wars was seeing people running around rather roomy corridors of considerably higher production value and that actually lead to a different place of interest every few minutes instead of every other week, maybe. To this day Star Wars in my mind is largely that middle part of the movie aboard the Death Star.
     
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    How can you have 'good storytelling' without a plot or characters or a world? Without any of that you essentially just have action figures moving around on a screen. Which to me is what the OT was. Luke was essentially just a fan stand in the male hero who can do anything take on all comers without any suffering or hard work. It's why I never liked the OT and prefer the world of Star Trek and Dune. Much more depth and much more sophistication. It comes across as living and breathing thing.
     
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