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SPECULATION When did the Force go to sleep?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Rebo, Nov 7, 2014.

  1. Rebo

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    Serious question. Not piling on the lets make fun of the title bandwagon here.

    Da7e over at Latino Review has some interesting speculation in his weekly column today. His thoughts are that maybe the force being dormant is what caused the drastic difference in power and capabilities between the PT and OT. That somehow the power of the force had been muted during that time limiting things like Obi-Wan’s lightsaber skills and what Luke and Vader could do during their battles. It would be a retcon of sorts to allow the ST to restore the more impressive force powers of the PT while not sacrificing the integrity of the OT.

    He goes on to speculate that perhaps we will see what causes this dormancy in Rebels.

    I’m not saying I believe this will happen, but is definitely an interesting idea. What does everyone think?
    http://www.latino-review.com/news/star-wars-the-force-awakens
     
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    The "awakens" part may come from a "Raiders of the Lost Ark" type item or element that can direct or channel the force.
    Larry Kasdan wrote/produced both Raiders & EP7. ;)
    The bad guys may mislead Luke or another lead actor(Driver or Daisy) into revealing where the item is, they all fight over it then the evil(dark side) villians get swept by the item's massive destructive power(s). Much like the ending of Raiders.
    Luke, because he's "super dude" won't be affected.
    I WILL say a major character won't make it, maybe in a "all is lost" scene. This will compel the others to act.
    It's also a point that I think Arnt's screenplay of Lucas's outline/treatment was too dark or killed off too many important characters.
    Disney & the suits want toys, games, rides, cups, clothes etc.
    no parent or fan wants to see kids play with a toy character who got decapitated or split in half.
     
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    I don't believe that it was ever dormant, asleep, or missing, but became a state of consciousness to Luke. I think that the Force starts talking to Luke and he starts talking back to it, making him look crazy to people because it seems he's talking to himself. Just like if he were to talk to a Force ghost no one can see, the Force becomes an actual identity to him and him only, because he is so powerful. The Force is essentially his new Master and he must carry out It's will, to keep balance between the darkside users and lightside users. This is why he could be perceived as bad and good as well.
     
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    I like it Luke is neither light nor dark but keeps the two factions balanced.
    kind of like Underworld: Evolution
    Alexander Corvinus the father and source of the immortal sons Marcus and William the Original Vampire and Werewolf. He is neutral with regards to their war but try to keep it from spilling over to the human population.
    As it relates to this I think Luke just keeps the balance of light and dark users and "Culls the herds" when either faction gains too much strength or try to impose it self and it'srule on the galaxy.
    Don'tknow Iif it's right but Iit kinda goes with what you are saying or atleast my understanding of it. Not even sure how I feel about it after typing it out
    luke the forces will......huh
     
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    The title of the first movie in the OT, "A New Hope," referred to Luke. The title of the first movie in the PT, "The Phantom Menace," referred to Palpatine. I believe "The Force Awakens" also refers to a single person in some way. Perhaps the character played by Daisy Ridley will "wake" the Force up somehow?
     
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    All suggestions so far seem valid to me. Personally I believe they call it THE FORCE AWAKENS to illustrate several of these suggestions at once, much like some of the other titles can have multiple interpretations.
    It's a title that suggest power, or a powerful entity - either the Force or someone tapping into it like no one else has before.
     
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    The last post is what makes sense.
    I think the Force will be shown as a living being able to be present in the universe rather than a religion or feeling.
    Something or someone will harness the power to control it or channel it.
    Evil forces(maybe not Sith) might try to destroy it and that's why Luke gets involved.
    My question is how or why would Vader or Darth Vader's remains become so significant?
    It lends itself to Luke wearing the outfit to scare or intimidate people(since he's nuts) but I don't think Skywalker poses the same evil intent as Palpatine or Darth Vader.
     
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    Harnessing the power to control or channel the Force could be the rumored "solar system-destroying weapon".
     
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    My guess? The Force was "asleep" because it was split in two parts, the Light Side and the Dark Side. The Sith got half and the Jedi got half. Now that the Sith and Jedi are gone, Luke can tap into the whole Force, combining selflessness and compassion with emotion and passion, and the whole is much, much greater than the sum of its parts.
     
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    That is exactly what I think too. You just jedi-mind-tricked me :D
     
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    Post #8 makes sense to me because as Kasdan is a writer/producer, he also wrote-produced Raiders of the Lost Ark. ;)
    In that film, the characters all chased around looking for a object(the Ark of the Covenant) to control/channel emense energy(the power of God). Hitler(and the Nazis/Thont) wanted to use the Ark for evil.
    Indy(Harrison Ford) knew, correctly how powerful(and unstable) the Ark's power was.
    I think the Driver character may be a lot like the Rene Belleaq character in Raiders. Belleaq was the French archeologist who was a sneaky, two-faced back-stabber who tracked Indiana Jones around to steal his glory.
    Belleaq also aligned himself with the Nazis/Gestapo but had a alterior motive.
    If JJ & Kasdan identify Driver's character as a "archeologist" I will laugh my #%+ off. :D
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    Does seem strange that a force was asleep.

    Jedi force or Sith force or as Nerfect has suggested perhaps both?

    But riedel1973 has interesting idea: what if the force were a death star or 'rumoured solar system destroying weapon?'

    This need to look to Rebels for answers and speculation I think is a strange marketing idea. I don't believe the brand needed it and I hope after VII there is good reason for the confusion. All previous Titles gave us an idea of hope ANH, ROTJ or dread TESB, TPM, ATOC, ROTS. This title is airy fairy and will perhaps prove to be disjointed in some way. We have no initial hope or dread, just huh, what, what does that mean?? Because if the force is awakened with Luke, then how was it ever asleep, even it Luke is exiled or hiding, he still has the force with him, it surrounds him and binds him always through everything and with everything, always.

    I am convinced the film will be outstanding and we will all enjoy immensely. I just personally believe there was no need for this title. As I have told Rebo in the past I love the good v bad dichotomy and think it served the brand well for the last few decades ..
     
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    Great theories everyone. But does anyone buy into Da7e's idea that the force being asleep is what caused the Jedi power dependencies between PT and OT?
     
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    Rumours suggested Luke went into exile, as I read unless I read wrong. Than, wouldn't there be a Sith uprising with no Jedi to stop them? The Sith would go "WOOT! No Jedi, the galaxy is ours again!"
     
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    I still think fans are taking the title too literally. My take is that there has been peace for the past 30 years, so Luke/Leia and other Jedi they may have trained have not needed to fight a threat from the darkside. The new villain or villains represents an awakening of the force and now Luke/Leia & other Jedi must do battle to save the galaxy again.
     
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    " When did The Force go to sleep ? "

    Probaly about half way through Transformers Age of Extiction : )
     
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    Exactly. I don't feel any great need to take the title literally.
    The Jedi fire has gone out of the universe. The galaxy has been ruled by technology, military might and oppression for decades.
    Maybe we are going to see a society more open to "hokey religions", given what has just gone on in the previous three films... Maybe more people are just getting down with the Force these days.

    That is another option that crossed my mind too. Like this is JJ's cheeky way of telling us he thinks his Star Wars is going to be "bigger and better". You thought you had seen the Force before? Well the Force is only just waking up... kind of vibe.
     
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    That's what I said myself from the get go, I think there are multiple meaning behind this title.

    The power of the Force awakens in a galaxy that has been without Sith and Jedi for decades

    The Force begins to actively effect the Galaxy like never before

    The Force awakens within someone(s) Ridley? Boyega? Luke?

    An evil force threatening the Galaxy awakens

    etc
     
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    I have finally stepped out from the shadows and decided to join. Not sure why I waited so long. I agree with a lot of what is being said. I do think that the title has multiple meanings that will be come more clear once the movie is out. I agree with a comment above that a lot of people are taking the title too literally. When I told my two daughters (8 and 6), who just this summer became huge Star Wars fans, the title they loved it. I, like most of us adults, was thinking about all the deep meanings the title might imply when my 6 year old said that the title meant that "at the end of Return of the Jedi, Luke was the only one with the Force, and now more people will have the Force." The simplicity of this statement I believe is correct. This movie will start the development of new Force users (good and bad) thus an Awakening of the Force.

    If the rumors of Luke being in exile for years is true then I would have to believe the use of the Force is very limited and by the end of the movie we will see a resurgance in the Force. This will likely be one a few different ways we will be able to interpet The Force Awakens. I can't wait for December 2015.
     
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