Why is TLJ your favourite/least favourite SW movie?

Yes. All of this. Yes.

Star Wars has been lacking in seriousness for a while, or it's blended both childish and serious together for some time. I'd argue that Star Wars and TESB leaned more towards the sci-fi/serious edge comparatively, to the others. TLJ, despite being more humorous (the humor is more adult and spoof-like, honestly) compared to Star Wars and TESB, it's quite dark in areas and takes its consequences and character's choices seriously.

Anyways.

 

I just think that it sucked the fact they made Luke some sad hobo on an island, the ending was cool when Rey and ren fight the guards but the whole canto bight mission was stupid and that master codebreaker guy had no addition to the storyline, they could have done more with phasma but she just got blown up, Rose had no impact in the next movie and thats also a big reason why I think that they shouldn't change directors, tlj was the only one in the series I didn't like, the Abrams movies were much better!

 

Luke was always an emotional person (outside of ROTJ) and both Yoda and Obi Wan pulled the same thing. Hell, Han did it and he's loved.

Agree on Rose and Benecio Del Toro's nothing characters.

 

TLJ is not only my fave of the ST but of the entire nine film saga. It's beautifully made, has superb acting and most of all makes you think. The DJ character was there purely to expose the 'hypocrisy' of war, that sometimes there is very little difference between 'bad guys' and 'good guys'. I think Johnson was trying to show us that the best of us can make mistakes - like Luke did - and there are shades of grey everywhere, as shown by the Resistance buying their weapons from the Canto Bight arms dealers and Poe so obsessed with glory he got most of his squad killed - and wasn't even fazed by it.

I think a lot of my disappointment with TROS was how Abrams and Terrio virtually wiped the slate clean and started all over again; all the possibilities of seeing something new were erased and so many questions left unanswered. As one youtube reviewer said, it was 'almost vengeful'.

 

Well said indeed, TLJ is lost on many. It's a great addition to the Star Wars Mythos, and it lead the way for films like Rogue One and the prequel Andor. Shades of grey and the hypocrisy of war exemplifies these film precisely. I would have appreciated Colin Trevorrow's version of TROS much more.

 

Sooo, I guess I meant visa versa thanks for the correction... so many films gets a bit foggy at times.

 

TLJ isn't my favorite SW movie. Nor is it my least favorite in the franchise. That honor goes to TROS. But I still believe that TLJ is crap. I still feel as if I had wasted money watching that movie.

"Rogue One" came out a year before TLJ. And the Star Wars franchise has been exploring "shades of grey" since "The Empire Strikes Back". And I thought the "hypocrisy of war" was best exemplified with the Clone Wars in the Prequel Trilogy and "The Clone Wars", which told the story of a conflict being led by one person on two sides, in order to gain more power.

 

There are also shades of grey and hypocrisy of war in the Mandalorian, Rebels, TBOBF., Visions, and TBB series as well.

 

You know...I did read somewhere that John Boyega hated TLJ, and didn't like how his character was presented in it, but I thought he was at his best in it - Finn post Canto Bight was anything but 'funny', he killed Phasma, and at the end would have died for the Resistance. In the other films he was mostly comic relief, except for when he fought Kylo....and even then he had to be rescued by Rey.

 

Okay, please forgive me for 'Bible bashing' but I think this is a good example of what happened with Luke:
Christ's best friend Peter, who as we know was canonised, denied knowing him three times when he was arrested. He was a frightened human being, but it didn't stop him from dying a hero and ministering to thousands.

Luke Skywalker was a legend....but also a frightened human being; his father's dark legacy had left him, his sister, and his brother in law terrified that their son and nephew would end up like Anakin. Thus, they inadvertently pushed him into the dark. That is the tragedy of the Skywalkers. And as I said before....even saints can make mistakes. It didn't turn Luke into a failure, it simply showed him for what he was - a flesh and blood, fallible human being.

The heroes of the OT were not gods.

 

Luke was never portrayed as "a saint" before this movie. I think the idea of Luke as a saint was something many fans had created in their minds. For me, Luke was a flawed character since the beginning. His flaws were especially apparent in "The Empire Strikes Back". And in "Return of the Jedi", he came dangerously close to succumbing to evil.

I didn't think Finn was portrayed at his best in TLJ. Even in this film, he was treated as comic relief. Worse, he was treated as comic relief after recovering from a serious wound. Johnson used Rose Tico as someone who "had" to act as mentor to Finn, especially on the topic of slavery at Canto Bight. This is ridiculous, considering Finn already knew more about slavery - being enslaved to the First Order ever since he was a child - than Rose would ever know. Johnson has basically recycled his whole arc from TFA in this film.

 

I actually think it might have been better to give Finn his own series, like Andor. The idea of a stormtrooper rebelling is a good one, but the ST was all about Rey.