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You guys are ok not witnessing Rey and Luke's first talk?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Unseen, Dec 22, 2015.

  1. Unseen

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    Unless VIII completely breaks tradition, we don't get to experience their first talk.

    That's actually pretty sh!tty when you think about it.

    You guys are really cool with that?

    Or of VIII picks up with that scene, is the crawl going to explain all the VII plot holes?

    Look this flick had great moments and fantastic new characters....

    But when you really think about it in depth, it wasn't very good.

    The original characters are handled terribly.

    The plot holes. The "tell don't show" moments. A magic droid. A magic x wing pilot.

    Etc

    But even the supposed payoff of the movie, Rey finding Luke (even tho the plot was Leias search for Luke)...isn't even shown.

    Yeah Hamill looked cool and the island was neat.

    But unless VIII starts in a way no other Star Wars movie has, we don't get to witness their interaction.

    ????

    How is this thing getting ranked with ANH and Empire?
     
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    My thoughts too. Especially bad if she turns out to be Lukes daughter - we won't ever know his first real reaction.

    Give it a few months, the hype will die down and then the film will be soundly judged. People are just giddy because they've seen the falcon and solo again.
     
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    Myth over plot.
    Moment over causality.

    PS
    Giddy yes.
    But not because of the Falcon or Solo. :p
     
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    Sorry bud, have seen it three times now, it gets better each time and I know a good movie when I see one. Wish you crybabies would stop whining.
     
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    Name a few, lets discuss them.


    Harsh dude. We should foster discussion and not just give out negative ratings to people with different opinions.

    edit: hrm, a negative rating, I should've seen that coming.
     
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    So you're cool not witnessing their talk? You don't think that would be an important moment to see??
     
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    That's what Mon Mothma would have said, that worked out well for the republic didn't it?
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    If it's an important moment it will be in the movie, if that is necessary they will find a way.
     
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    I guess I don't view people with different opinions as wrong or evil.
     
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    Well if you know a good movie when you see one then I must be wrong!

    Anyway, I didn't say it wasn't good. It just isn't great - certainly not on par with the OT films.
     
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    You should. It makes life much simpler and cuts out a lot of deliberation. Wipe them out. All of them.
     
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    Well, if they skip it, I think I can live with that. If they don't have some really good dialogue it is not a bad idea to just skip it altogether.

    It's kinda awkward so... what would they say anyway? "Ummm.... hi...?"
     
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    I personally think that there is no other way than they will begin the movie with the ordinary classic sequence, where we are in space as a kind of spectator and the Falcon will rush through the screen towards to the planet where Luke is hiding. Basically it will be like if the 7th movie ended before they could even see each other. What do you think?
     
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    Huh? I'm not asking what the writers thought. It's clear what they thought.

    I'm asking you- you are really cool with not seeing their first talk?
     
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    From my point of view the prequels are evil! [​IMG]
     
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    They are being discussed all over the board, but I already mentioned a few in here.

    The film starts with Poe on a mission to find Luke for Leia.

    Some stuff happens, Poe apparently gives up finding his droid, takes off his jacket, and beams back to the base.

    When the film remembers Luke still hasn't been found, R2 regains his will to live and gives them the answer.

    But Leia doesn't go, doesn't send Poe, doesn't even tag along.

    The entire point of the film is abandoned several times.

    Then Rey finds Luke, and the audience doesn't even get to experience the talk???

    Better than Empire!!!!
     
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    Yes, perfectly fine with a cliff-hanger ending.

    I've seen this negative reaction to other 'cliff-hanger endings' (no pun intended!) in films when watched by Americans. It seems as if all other nationalities around the world can happily accept a cliff-hanger ending - even if its frustrating - as clever way to make one think for possible future outcomes if a sequel film were made.

    Americans are different though. They want 'happily ever after' endings with set-in-stone resolved rigid story endings.

    It happens in sport too, around the whole world, a tied game of Association Football ending at 90 minutes with a score of 0-0, 1-1, 2-2 etc normally results in both teams earning one point each. Not so in the US in MLS, the tie is broken with a penalty shootout for a more "satisfying" conclusion with one team winning and the other losing. Its a very binary mentality. ;)
     
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    The first time I've seen it I yelled at the screen "You've got to be kidding JJ!!!" lol.
     
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    I already know their first words...

    "How did you get here? Can't a guy even take a piss in the ocean?" :D
     
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    I'm not sure how any of these are plot holes.

    Poe was stranded on Jakku for a while, and only rejoins after the resistance knows that BB is with Han, Finn and Rey at Maz's castle. Remember that he gets back to the resistance base only after the resistance droid phones HQ about BB's whereabouts.

    R2 was in low power mode until he was needed. BB roles over to him and is all like "sup dude, know where luke is, we have an incomplete map" R2 was all like "yeah bro, I have the archives of the empire maps in me, I can help out."

    Maybe you just head it as blibble bloops, you droid racist.

    Poe's role was to help find luke, and Leia wasn't going personally. It isn't a plot hole to send Rey to fetch Luke.
     
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