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SPECULATION State of the Empire

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Jedi Master Kalu, Nov 29, 2014.

  1. dudebrohomie

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    Gawd does that NOT read like the TPM crawl?

    If I have to sit through another lecture on governmental policy and trade route disruption I'm gon' go all......................

    Well I'll be chuffed. That is what I shall be.

    DBH
    Now that WOULD compute!

    An online comic series or set of videos that sort of set the stage for TFA? I'd be totally down wit' that.

    I just know the rancor that fell out when a BLACK stormtrooper showed up in the trailer. Not everyone keeps up and knows that s'troopers aren't clones like we nerds do. So JJ has some 'splainin to do for the hoi polloi. That's all bro.

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    I think the upcoming comics we are getting will be pretty nice in heading that route
     
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    Yes indeed plenty of reading ahead for me.
     
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    Hello everyone,
    I wanted to bring this thread back into the front and center of the TFA discussions. As more canon literature is being released, we get novel #4 next month and the comics are churning out, I feel the Empire is being fleshed out more than it ever has. We are seeing the political side, the internal conflicts between its rulers, and how they get their resources.

    I would like to propose, to whomever is interested, each person make a speculative timeline that begins shortly after ROTJ and leads right up to TFA concerning the State of the Empire. Try to keep it broad, ie avoid speculation on Han and Leia's marriage/children, and centered on the Empire and where the Rebellion fits in.

    From the announcement of 20 new titles bridging the gap I'm referring to it sounds like we are going to have the answers to this very soon. I just thought it would be fun to do this while we are sti mostly in the dark.

    I'll go first.

    6 months post ROTJ- Rebels have regrouped and their losses are worse than expected from the second Death Star attack. The remaining Imperial Fleet as regrouped and fortified their defenses on Coruscant and crushed the beginning uprising of its population, making it their stronghold while strategize their next move. Many systems have been emboldened to join the Rebel Alliance, but just as many are determined to remain loyal to the Empire. Those who wish to remain loyal are the ones controlled by industrial entities that have become rich off the Empire.

    2 y AROTJ- the Alliance has built a strong coalition and mount a surprise attack against Coruscant. Since their last defeat, no citizen has been allowed to leave Coruscant and the planet has been under martial law. Th Empire shamelessly lifts this restriction once they learn of the impending attack, using the commerce of its citizens as a human shield. The ensuing battle is a disaster on both sides, with a massive civilian body count. The Alliane manages to take Coruscant and deal another big blow to the Empire, but The Galaxy is now mistrustful of both entities.

    3 y AROTJ- Much of the Galaxy has chosen to remain soveirgn, wanting little to do with the large governments they view as war mongers. The Empire have found haven in the rich, industrial worlds and have secretly relocated all their shipyards to an artificially created asteroid field. They are playing the long game, and patiently rebuilding their fleet. The alliance is completely unaware and they have done the opposite, focusing on rebuilding Coruscant, establishing a governing body/democracy, and making trade negotiations with soveirgn systems. The Alliance leaders feel if they can show the Galaxy their true nature more star systems will join them.

    10 y ARTOJ- The Empire makes a shocking move. With their new, advanced fleet, they attack the industrial worlds that have remained loyal to them. All the world leaders are executed and one Governor is instated to rule. The last name is Ren.

    11y - the Alliance are drawn out into a conflict and suffer a massive defeat at the hands of the Empire. The only silver lining is the a group of Alliance forces, lead by Luke Skywalker were able to destroy the Imperial Shipyard while the rest of the fleet was distracted.

    12 y- The Empire has rest abolished total control of the outer rim territories. They now govern with a brutality never seen, making examples of any uprising with public mass executions with to euros deaths. They control a large portion of the galactic resources, so anytime the Alloance needs something they have to raid a planet for it. The Empires brutality drives more systems to the Alliance, but the Alliance has to sacrifice ships each time they need a resource. Thus begins a great stalemate between the two powers that will last for decades.

    25 y- Luke Skywalker vanishes without a trace.

    30y- The Alliance receives intelligence that the Empire is constructing a new weapon of mass destruction. After much divide between the Alliance Senate, the decision is made to build their own.

    34y- The Empire decides to break the stalemate and begins more risky attacks on Alliance worlds, once again drawing the Alliance out into war.

    35y- The Force Awakens
     
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    I like it, and it is in league with who I think Kylo Ren will become in TFA.
     
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    I accidentally posted it before it was done. It is complete now. Thanks everyone. Look forward to reading your posts.
     
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    A very nice read, even when it stopped at 10 years. :D

    Quick question: Is TFA set 35 years after, like in your timeline? The rumblings I've always seen are 30, but I suppose that was never official and could've been just an estimate.
     
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    I've heard 35 the most.
     
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    I think it was announced officially that it's set 35 years later. I could be wrong though
     
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    Interesting. I tend to not be on the sites in afternoons and weekends, so I know I had to have just missed it at some point. Thanks for clearing that up.
     
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    I will take a stab in the dark...like this idea

    1 yr post ROTJ--- Moffs have taken control of systems with Civil War breaking out in most systems including the Outlying Systems. Trade Embargos are making it difficult for people to have supplies and mass chaos has ensued. Han has become frustrated by the inefficiency of the Rebellion's lack of control and has gone back to smuggling life so as to help run supplies past blockades (in the gesture of assisting the innocent people affected by war). Leia and Luke continue to fight to bring about control for the rebellion.

    5yr AROTJ -- A formal peace agreement has been signed that has brought the chaos to a halt but the systems are on the brink of war every where you turn. Coruscant has restored the Republic Government with Leia being instrumental in leadership. Though it is a Republic many are wishing for the days of plenty that the Empire fullfilled. Things aren't exactly wonderful in the Republic...many back door deals and an uncertainty looms as people who sympathize with the Empire are wanting a powerful leader to step up and take command. Han & Leia are reunited for a time (marry perhaps and have children during this time. Luke is fighting around the systems for peace and liberation of the innocent.

    6 yr AROTJ-- Leia feeling pressure from the Senate and having to choose between the lesser of 2 evils reluctantly takes a role as Chancellor and (RULER of the Republic). Luke tries to talk her out of the role citing the lure of power that is upon her. Luke has begun training new force sensitive people in the ways of the Jedi; and decides to go somewhere away from the politics (citing this as a reason for the demise of the Jedi in the first place). He begins to re-establish the Jedi Order based on holocrons that he has found in his travels...they have found an old Jedi Temple (TBD where) that becomes hidden to all but the Jedi to train.

    10yrs AROTJ-- The Moffs have made their move by Economically squeezing the Republic into control. Luke has married with a child being born now...Han and Leia have 2 children at this moment. The Republic is called into a situation on an outlying planet that is calling for assistance. Luke and the New Jedi Order respond...the call for assistance is a trap that causes utter destruction of the Jedi including Luke's wife and presumably his child...Luke devastated and feeling isolated escapes and decides to retreat (he has failed much like Yoda and continues his days meeting with the force in a forgotten planet where nobody would know). Leia is sent as an envoy on behalf of the Republic to discuss peace negotiations, Han attends with her...while away Coruscant is attacked by a re-energized Empire that takes control of the city while devastating losses for the Republic occurs and presumably the death of Han and Leia's children while they were away. (Children are not actually killed but are saved somehow...maybe taken into 7,8,9 story lines)

    11yrs AROTJ-- Empire has control again running its propaganda of restoring everything to it's former grandeur...The Rebellion continues on the Outlying Systems that still fight to keep its independence...Leia and Han have separated due to the loss of the children and Han's blaming Leia for her damned Rebellion that has caused him nothing but grief his whole life. Leia resides as chief commander of the rebel alliance along with some familiar faces. Han is back to smuggling and less interested in the political affairs of the day. Luke's son has been found and Leia has raised him as her own, since everyone assumes Luke has perished in the surprise attack that killed his wife and the other Jedi. Luke's son is taught diplomacy and raised in politics.

    15-25 yrs AROTJ- Same ol Same ol...Peaceful but something is stirring...Rumors of a new evil are beginning to spread and Luke's Son seems to be feeling the force drawing him toward a new life. Luke's son decides to infiltrate the Empire by going undercover. He goes dark to some degree

    25-30 yrs AROTJ-- We have a Rebellion attack that has caused all systems to engage in another Civil War

    Again a stab in the dark
     
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    Nice! I especially like the bit about Han returning to smuggling. Going rogue so he can do more good. Very cool!
     
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    He couldn't let go his previous career, I like it smuggling during that period was pretty profitable off course he's married to a royal so any trouble on another part of the galaxy Im sure Luke would bail him out.
     
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    My hypothesis is that Han is in charge of undercover operations to find Kylo Ren.

    Like the Jack Bauer of The Star Wars Universe :)
     
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    I think he will fit this role just fine.
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    A protracted war is exhausting both sides and the rebellion has lost its way (and moral high ground.) Leia has negotiated with the rebellion's conscience and arrived at the conclusion that a superweapon will end the war.
     
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    Alright, you asked for it... Let's rock.

    0 Years ABE:
    • The Rebels win a decisive victory in the Galactic Civil War, leading to a major turning point in history. Darth Vader and Darth Sidious die, along with at least two commanders and two admirals. The Death Star and a Super Star Destroyer are destroyed, along with many Star Destroyers. The Empire has to retreat after a stunning defeat in spite of their superior numbers.
    • Word of Sheev Palpatine's death spreads, and numerous systems celebrate or riot accordingly. Naboo, Tatooine, and Bespin officially join the Rebel Alliance. The uprising on Coruscant, however, is quickly crushed.
    • Mas Amedda succeeds Palpatine as Galactic Emperor. While his reign is less oppressive than Palpatine's in terms of the everyday life of Imperial citizens, he is still every bit as ruthless in terms of ensuring control through use of military might.
    • The Millennium Falcon's satellite dish is replaced.
    • A relative of Biggs Darklighter, Poe Dameron, is born.

    0-1 Years ABE:
    • The Empire suffers from a power vacuum in terms of military command, while Mas Amedda struggles to maintain order across various dissenting systems. In the chaos, a variety of planets repel the Empire's control.
    • To gain a better control of the situation and to boost support for the Empire, Mas Amedda reinstates the Imperial Senate, including close planetary allies in high positions.
    • Han Solo and Chewbacca lead smuggling operations to the dissenting systems, along with those that suffer under increased Imperial occupation.
    • The Rebel Alliance succeeds in creating a small union of allied planets (many of which are in the Outer Rim). Desert planet Jakah is among these planets. The Rebel Alliance reorganizes itself under the banner of the New Republic, 10 years after the Rebellion officially began. Mon Mothma places herself and Leia Organa as political leaders for this movement. Meanwhile, the Empire doubles down on protecting key worlds like Coruscant and moves toward fighting a more defensive war of attrition.
    • Luke Skywalker attempts to teach his sister on how to use the Force through similar methods of how he learned, but he discovers that what worked for him does not work nearly as well for Leia, even though she has a bit of control over the force.
    • Luke subsequently begins a quest to attain a better knowledge of the Force, serving as a disciple to the Force Spirits of Qui-Gon Jinn, Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin Skywalker. He begins to distance himself from the politics of the New Republic, along with the Galactic Civil War, though he keeps in contact with his allies.
    • R2-D2 accompanies Luke, while C-3PO accompanies Leia.
    • A rogue Inquisitor with personal ties to the Emperor seeks to avenge his death by killing Luke Skywalker. Her name is Mara Jade.

    1-2 Years ABE:
    • While Han and Leia are romantically involved, their polar opposite positions in the Galactic Civil War prevent them from being close with one another. They have not yet married.
    • Under the Mas Amedda regime, tolerance for nonhuman species increases exponentially, with many alien recruits now being accepted into the Imperial Military.
    • The Empire begins a major counterattack. Inquisitors are now used in regular combat operations to regain territories.
    • Luke completes his spiritual journey with a considerably better knowledge of the Force.
    • Mara finds Luke, and the two have a heated battle. While Luke is able to best her, he sees the good in her and helps her overcome the Dark Side. They fall in love.

    2-4 Years ABE:
    • Luke and Mara are formally wed. They then begin the New Jedi Order.
    • Leia requisitions a group of searchers, known as Missionaries, to find Force-Sensitive individuals. However, due to a lack of knowledge of the Force, a vast majority of Force-Sensitives remain undiscovered.
    • Jakah returns under Imperial control after a major land battle involving AT-ATs occurred. Some cities are completely wrecked beyond recognition, and the planet lacks the resources to have reparations take place.

    4-5 Years ABE:
    • Roughly a quarter of all major star systems are allied with the New Republic.
    • The Galactic Civil War continues to escalate with a few key victories for the New Republic.
    • Luke and Mara's son, Ben Skywalker, is born. Luke and Mara begin training the next generation of Force-Sensitive students while raising their son.
    • Kylo Ren is born to a wealthy Imperial family. The family has faint ties to long-deceased Count Dooku.

    5-10 Years ABE:
    • Kylo's father is elected Imperial Governor of an important planet. At this time, the young Kylo becomes fascinated with the Force upon seeing many of Dooku's recovered artifacts in his family's estate.
    • A Peace Treaty is proposed by Mon Mothma. Mas Amedda agrees to attempt to find a negotiation to ending the war to the Imperial Senate. The Senate is divided.
    • Palpatine's war profiteering and involvement with the Sith become public knowledge, inducing outrage from both outside the Empire and from within. He goes down in history as a war criminal.
    • Mas Amedda's reputation is severely damaged by this turn of events due to his connections with Palpatine and his knowledge of the deception. The Peace Treaty, which was close to coming to pass, is abandoned due to the call to escalate the war from the New Republic. He announces his plan to resign after making a few reforms and finding a suitable successor.
    • All new Inquisitors are strictly prohibited from using the Force (or at least in public displays). They are re-organized and designated as "Chrome Troopers".

    10-14 Years ABE:
    • Mas Amedda officially resigns from his position as Emperor. He is replaced by Sargon Z'ahn, an enlightened dictator who brings several reforms to the Empire in order to make it seem more desirable. Indeed, many systems favor the Empire after he took control.
    • Sargon grants greater power to the Imperial Governers. The Ren family gains tremendous prestige.
    • Kylo, after collecting more Force artifacts, begins to hear the instructions of a powerful entity on his thirteenth birthday. Both of Kylo Ren's parents are killed by the New Republic on that same day. Having nothing else to live for, Kylo seeks revenge and seeks out this entity.
    • The New Republic makes deals with several key criminal organizations in order to ensure that they can keep funding the war effort.
    • Finn Solfarer is born.

    14-19 Years ABE:
    • Two-fifths of the Galaxy are under New Republic control.
    • Protests against the Galactic Civil War rise significantly after twenty years of continuous conflict, while morale on both sides wavers.
    • Kylo discovers the entity in a sinister castle on a faraway planet: it belongs to Darth Plagueis, Palpatine's former master. Darth Plagueis is kept alive in a state of decay through use of the Force and medical technology in a similar way that Palpatine used to preserve Darth Vader. He is seeking a vessel that carries Skywalker blood, and Ben is ideal for his plan.
    • It is revealed that Darth Plagueis unveiled the truth about Palpatine through six resurrected Sith Acolytes in an effort to prolong the Galactic Civil War. He trains Kylo in his ways alongside the Acolytes.
    • Han and Leia are married. Leia gives birth to a daughter, Kira Solo, who she sends away to Luke in order to protect her from enemies of the New Republic.
    19-25 Years ABE:
    • The final battle of the Galactic Civil War, the Battle Of Coruscant, erupts. The New Republic utilizes an experimental weapon - a massive ion cannon. While it is meant only to disable Imperial capital ships, the weapon malfunctions and disables power to a good portion of the planet, killing millions. To make matters worse, several capital ships crash into the planet's surface, destroying a great portion of the city. The event is derogatorily referred to as the "Coruscant Massacre" by disillusioned citizens.
    • While Imperial Military leaders call for blood, Sargon uses his executive authority to set up a Peace Treaty. The Galactic Civil War officially ends with the Treaty Of Coruscant. In terms of territory, the Galaxy is evenly divided, favoring the Empire slightly. The Empire is forced to pay the Rebellion for reparations.
    • Both governments are equally distrusted. News of the New Republic's support for criminal activities makes its way to the public eye, further cementing distrust.
    • The New Jedi Order reaches its peak with 100 Jedi serving it - including Luke, Mara, Ben, and Kira.
    • Kylo completes his training and sets out on a quest to fully revive his master. He and the others are known as "the Seven" and perform covert operations to undermine the safety of the New Republic.

    25-35 Years ABE:
    • Control of Coruscant is divided even between the Empire and the New Republic. The Empire is humiliated by controlling the half of the planet that sustained the damage of the New Republic's disaster. The planet is separated into districts via a massive planetary force field. The planet has no major military forces on hand to that ensure another Coruscant Massacre never occurs, although stockpiles of support from nearby systems are readily available in the event that conflict erupts.
    • Mon Mothma and Mas Amedda both die of old age. Leia is named Supreme Chancellor.
    • Some worlds are designated as "neutral territory". Jakah is among these territories.
    • Sargon progressively becomes a puppet leader over time due to the growing influence of the Imperial Military. One such figure, a female Chrome Trooper named Shai Tarkin, becomes a major Imperial leader. Imperial Governors effectively become warlords.
    • Several small-scale wars break out over the course of a few years involving Imperials and supporters of the New Republic alike; none escalate into another Galaxy-wide war, and most conflicts only occur between two planets over things such as trade.
    • The Seven descend upon the Jedi temple - where more than half of the Jedi, many of them Padawans - are stationed. They begin a slaughter - Ben, Mara, Luke, and Kira manage to kill the Acolytes, but Kylo Ren disappears with Mara, whom he was seen overpowering. Ben is nowhere to be found.
    • Luke presumes that he and Kira are the only survivors. Horrified by the events that transpired, Luke travels across the Galaxy in search of answers - and to prevent the return of the Sith.
    • Kira is sent to Jakah and is given the alias of "Rey Gordon". She is watched by Montross, who unbeknownst to her, is spying on her on the order of her parents.
    • Ben faked his own death and became a Bounty Hunter in order to protect his identity. Mara's fate is uncertain.
    • R2-D2 is sent back to Leia, and is then reunited with C-3PO.
    • BB-8 is built.
    • The New Republic learns of the creation of a new Imperial superweapon. They construct their own weapon - an improvement over the prototype used in the Battle Of Coruscant - in secret. Ben discovers this, and defects to the Empire out of disgust. However, he is serving as a triple-agent to destroy both weapons.
    • There are roughly 20 Jedi left in the entire Galaxy. Darth Plagueis tells Kylo to look for new recruits while he tries to resurrect new Sith Acolytes.

    35 Years ABE:
    • Finn, BB-8, and Rey all end up on Jakah.
    • Imperial occupation of Jakah increases substantially after an incident above the atmosphere of the planet.
    • The "Awakening" begins.

    That's my fanfic story, and I'm sticking to it.
     
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    Too many EU refrences. You should have changed some of the names. Everything else sounds good though.
     
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    The names were basically placeholders, but I have no real doubt that Luke would name his son after Ben Kenobi. Or at least he wouldn't name him after Lord Byron...
     
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    This is great. I like the idea of inquisitors evolving into Chrome Troopers, and a backdrop where both the Empire and Republic are distrusted by the general populace. One thing I would add -- you mention how disclosure of the Sith influence foments popular anger at dark side force users, which leads to the rebranding of inquisitors as chrome troopers, but I think there should be an equal public outcry over Jedis. In other words, there's a bit of a witch hunt climate for force users, which would be more of a reason for Rey to go into hiding and any Jedi Academy to be disbanded.
     
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