OFFICIAL NEWS A Lasting Record Of TLJ's Financial Performance.

So That was YOU I heard screaming!!!! lol... That is a good question. Hard to answer though. Just like how many of these after TLJ that have vowed not to watch anymore Star Wars or given them anymore money will be in the theaters or streaming the Live Action TV show.

The PT didn't bother me as much. No they were not perfect and I have my critiques but nothing that would make the throw in the towel. Not every movie is a diamond for everyone but each is a new chance. I also looked at it as I saw the OT as a child with a child's eye and mind. I saw the PT as an adult with and adult's eye and mind. Definitely a big difference in viewing eyes. I too wanted the nostalgia of when I was a child, I didn't feel it at the time. But now that I look back, it was there but different. I was different but still in the seat excited to watch whatever I got because no one was going to ask me to make one and regardless of my critiques of it, I never reached to point that I felt I would have done a better job. I know that is far from the truth!. lol

 

Lucasfilm already knew about backlash; so did Kennedy.
TPM set the precedent for fan backlash.
There is literally nothing at this moment compared to what happened following TPM in fanbase reactions.
TFA also had a sizable backlash revolving around Disney and Abrams ruining what Star Wars was; starting up cute names of comparison like "Jar Jar Abrams".

So it basically goes like this historically.
"George Lucas JJ Abrams Rian Johnson destroyed Star Wars."

Yeah...pardon me if my reaction to the latest murder allogations is...


And I think Lucasfilm knew what they were doing.
Multiple times before release they stated it was going to challenge fans; that's business for 'some people are going to hate this, but this is what we want to do', which is good, because that's what Lucas did. He really stuck to his guns and did what he wanted regardless of the insane amount of hate he got over the years.
It's good to see that ethos still existing as part of the thinking; that it's OK to not make everyone happy all the time; you'll still make money, and you get the film you think is needed in the long run.

We'll see this again down the road. We're not done with "_____ ______ destroyed Star Wars."



Cheers,
Jayson

 

To be fair, I've seen this whole "Star Wars is DEAD/RUINED/ETC" thing so many other places that I have to wonder if people were either born yesterday or just have very short, selective memories? And I know what the real answer is, they see what they want to see. The Star Wars fan base is not only loyal, it's resilient. Phantom Menace came out, and everyone hated it, to the point that "George Lucas raped my childhood" became a meme WITH NO SOCIAL MEDIA! There was a website called jarjarbinksmustdie.com, and it had a song you could download, back when people were downloading on dial-up. The message boards I frequented back then were a mess of flame wars and outrage.

And the film wasn't released on VHS until 2000, and DVD until 2001. And you still had to wait another year, on top of the already two years, for Attack of the Clones. And it turned out to be even worse than Phantom Menace! And yet the films made money and everyone went to see them, and bought all the books and video game tie-ins. And even after two universally-panned films that had super-duper-divided fan response, episode III was another three years away. And if you just wanted to watch the original trilogy through all of this you couldn't even do that, because the films weren't on DVD yet and the only versions being offered were the Special Editions which most people--especially at the time, a lot of people have given up and accepted them by now--were hated by everyone too. TLJ is not the most divisive Star Wars film ever, it's all a bunch of social media hyperbole, if you think that then you obviously were not active in the online fan community from 1999-2005.

My god, we all survived the enormous fandom civil war that was the prequels. I can never, ever take someone seriously when they start criticising the "state of Star Wars today". This really is a golden era, it's like the early-mid 1990s when Star Wars came back from the dead out of nowhere and was bigger than ever.

 

Eactly, and that is where I usually jump into a debate is when you have those that feel what "I wanted was 100 tims better", or EVERYONE thinks this, or NOBODY wants to see, or it was just AMATEURISH (esp when WE are the ones sitting on the internet discussing and aren't the position to even be asked to make one). There are millions of fans, each coming into this at different points of life and ages, each with their own ideas, similar and different. But, we are still fans. I think that would be the hardest part of being a director and having to separate yourself from it all. You can't make a movie that is going to please everyone, ( Lucas found this out his second go round), you need to have your vision of what it should be and go forward from there.

 

You know, I did say its gonna take a lot more then TLJ backlash for it to be "destroyed."

 

Right there with you!



Cheers,
Jayson

 

I know that many people will not understand the reference but I think that it would be a good example. In the Wii/Wii U generations, what a loud part of the gaming industry and PS/Xbox fans were screaming all over the web was that Nintendo was dead, even if the company still had billions in cash, had a beast like the 3DS and their game were selling pretty well. Years passed, and came the Switch, and Nintendo is leading the market since march 2017 with a comfortable margin. Moral of the history, people online are not economists, we don't know nothing, and huge companies are not easily "killed". Lucas Film is not in the hand of amateurs, so even if it eventually comes to have some losses, they will always get a way to overcome it.

 

I agree, I cannot speak for anyone else, only for myself. And for me there is no enthusiasm towards any future Star Wars movies so far. This is something completely different from any Prequel Drama. These movies had some flaws, but were nowhere to the insult TLJ did to me.

 

Cheers,
Jayson

 

You know when we'll know Star Wars is dead? When people quit talking about it. You know how we know it's fine? Even the people who say they don't like it anymore continue to talk about it.

 

No. I consider the period AFTER the PT to be The Dark Ages. From 2005-2015, dark because there were no movies and no hope of any further movies until Lucasfilm got sold.

When a movie actively pisses off and on its fanbase, the previous movie, pretty much everything.. to the point that the movie can barely compete with a standalone Marvel Movie? Lol.

If IW2 has a Kennedy Dive next year, you'll have Feige figuratively finding the nearest window. Marvel is now the pre-eminent IP in the world today, and they didn't do it by making hostile-to-the-audience crap like TLJ. They need to take the sensitive arteests at LucasFilm and find the nearest airlock. Its populist filmmaking, not rocket science.

Hunger Games, Twilight, Harry Potter, the Furious Films. Most IP's build, they don't drop after the first film and none of them actively piss on the fans and are proud of it.

But do point out where a 2nd film took a Kennedy Dive and got a 3rd.

I do... but then, I don't buy the Kayfabe and read between the lines. When you see the massive amount of spin control being paid for on the web by Disney via bs articles about TLJ... they have to be shaking in their boots about Solo. They'll never be overt about it so someone like you can 'see' them sweating, particularly if ramping to a major release 10 days from now.

Well... at their 10 year mark, the MCU has made more money than the Star Wars films did in 40. So there is that!

While Star Wars is over there spindoctoring Kennedy Dives, MCU is over here having bank vaults dropped on them by fans.

 

George Lucas, Michael Arndt, and Lucasfilm had already started pre-production for Star Wars 7 before Lucas decided to stop and sell it to Disney.
Here's a screenshot from IMDB from between 2011 to 2012:

"It wasn't like I was reading all these theories online and being at my typewriter and going, "Ha! Ha! Gotcha!" It was me coming up with a story. I was writing purely from a personal reaction to "The Force Awakens", and what they were shooting." - Rian Johnson

"We weren't going for, 'Let's subvert a Star Wars movie.'" - Rian Johnson

"He (JJ Abrams) read it (TLJ script) and said something he never, ever says. He said, 'It's so good I wish I had written it.'" - Greg Gunberg (one of JJ Abram's closest and longest friends)

"He (Lucas) said, 'It's beautifully made.' In speaking with director Rian Johnson after viewing, Lucas was very complimentary." - Connie Wethington (George Lucas' personal representative; sometimes listed as Executive Associate to George Lucas)

Cherry picking again, I see, and ignoring the same information that's been given to you repeatedly.
OK, here, again for yet another time.

Argument from ignorance, and special pleading.
We'll just take your expertise of conspiracy and Disney's financial situation and ignore Disney's legally binding financial reports which state exactly the opposite, and before you go and claim that Disney would never say that something's performing poorly in their financial reports, I'll remind you again that they did just that over 1,000 times in over 1,000 financial reports in a multitude of ways.

This is the most ridiculous relative privation so far.
There's 19 Marvel films to 9 Star Wars films.

So yes, let's look at the numbers (adjusted for inflation).
Star Wars has made $14,436,016,803 in 9 films.
Marvel has made $17,332,762,977 in 19 films.

Marvel Gross after 9 films: $7,001,617,065.
Marvel Gross of the last 9 films: $9,521,542,011.
Marvel Gross of 9 highest earning films: $11,228,295,901.

Average Gross for Star Wars is $1,604,001,867.
Average Gross for Marvel is $912,250,683.

Total cost for all Star Wars movies to date is $1,460,435,000.
Total cost for all Marvel movies to date is $3,849,040,000.
The Gross to Cost for Star Wars is 9.1 to 1.
The Gross to Cost for Marvel is 4.5 to 1.

Number of times Star Wars has been the #1 Grossing film of the year: 7
Number of times Marvel has been the #1 Grossing film of the year: 4
Percent rate of #1 Grossing film for Star Wars: 77%
Percent rate of #1 Grossing film for Marvel: 21%

Average Gross of the Year ranking for Marvel (rounding down for better rating): 5th
Average Gross of the Year ranking for Star Wars (rounding flat for worse rating): 1st

And finally, total Star Wars gross if TLJ had made 3 billion in Gross: $16,091,530,423.
A quick reminder of the total Gross for all 19 films of Marvel: $17,332,762,977.

So even if the film you claim underperformed, broke every possible expectation and surpassed TFA by a full billion dollars, your ridiculous flat comparison of 19 films to 9 films would STILL be true.
That comparison says nothing about the success performance of TLJ.

This is by far the most ridiculous comparison attempted between Star Wars and Marvel.

Wrong on both counts.
Disney is counting the bank vaults of money from both IPs quite happily, according to Disney.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

simple pitch on how to destroy star wars fatigue and fix the franchises problems in Asia...Somethings got to change if star wars is to make it out of the shadow of the OT.

OLD REPUBLIC SAGA

Old republic movie series set 4000 YEARS BEFORE YAVIN that is meant to surpass the Skywalker saga in storytelling and scope. This series is the magnum opus of star wars that needs a immense push in marketing. The best directors and the best writers should make this. The story can be a loose adaptation of tales of the jedi comic book and KOTOR, taking elements from both to make one original story. A young jedi is frustrated with his religion and leaves after a war threatens to tear apart the Republic. Slowly realizing how corrupt and troubled the jedi and republic are, this young jedi leaves the religion and uses the sith as a instrument to enact political and religious change. Essentially Malcom x in space, a sith lord who is a consequentialist.

This is made in the format of the original 6 movies...the concept of "the tragedy of anakin Skywalker" will be copied. As we see a jedi turn to a sith, exiled and his powers being taken away, to regaining those powers and overcoming his evil father, A ancient being known as the prime jedi(the first jedi in all of history).

The old Republic will be 5 movies and will be structure similarly to the avengers movies...a large ensemble with a diverse cast as this one jedi/sith as the Thanos type character of the saga. Whereas the Thanos type character(main character of this saga) is evil, his supporting characters will make these films digestible. Infinity war but more tightly written essentially. This fallen jedi being Thanos...but his real name will be revan (heavily changed from the video game, will not be mind wiped). This revan-esque character will be completely different but similar in story. Whereas the original Skywalker saga is about "good vs evil" this new old republic saga will be about "consequentialism vs denotology". The jedi are uncompromising denotologist while the sith are consequentialists, neither side will be evil and will fight for causes the audience identifies with. The prime jedi and his son revan will be enemies in this saga. The 5 movies covering a standalone character arc that leads to a final confrontation between father and son.

WRAITH SQUADRON TRILOGY

Wraith squadron set 250 years after episode 9...set in a cold war setting where the galaxy is split between 2 factions. The fel imperium and the galactic alliance are both questionable. Using imperialism to exploit the resources of the outer rim. A group of mercenaries consisting of various outcasts who are alienated by the various social systems of the galaxy come together to form a family in the face of a cruel galaxy. The main villain of this trilogy will be thrawn and the vong and the galactic alliances version of the jedi order known as THE MAGISTRIUM(who rule the galactic alliance through economic leverage over the economy). Instead of using x wings they will instead use D WINGS.

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/NgzwJ

The characters themselves are completely different...the central Romance is a gender fluid alien cathar cat who falls in love with a non-gender conforming hotshot sociopathic pilot named colonel jackass(named Matthew thyrell). As they mutually grow from rivals. Marian at first sees jade as a conquest but than as a equal as he grows to love and care for jade.

The gender fluid cat will be called jade, similar in relationship between Luke and Mara jade in legends continuity. He/she(jade) serves the head of the magistrium, the mad monk Adrian Skywalker. This monk believes that it is his destiny to take control of the cosmic force so that he can create a afterlife for non force sensitive beings. Adrian is loosely peppered throughout the movie like thanos in guardians of the galaxy. We know that he exploits jades need for a father figure. Jade and Matthew will be the first LGBT couple in star wars.

The films will be humorous and emotional at the same time. Think Pixar but much more violent and with a large ensemble cast of aliens, people of color, LGBT folk, and all of them morally questionable. They are a family and they will have the same problems most families do. The first movie will be about wraith squadron going up against thrawn, than the second will be the vong, and the third will be the galactic alliance. This trilogy will be a love letter to legends.

Underworld

A epic crime trilogy set in the outer rim about a man trying to leave his mark on the galaxy. Set in the future where the galactic alliance and fel imperium do not pay attention. A crime boss who is trying to do crime for the sake of his family. The first movie is about him being a meek thug under his mentor figures and having to stand up for himself. and he overcomes his low self worth to become a crime boss to keep his family safe. The second movie is about him being consumed by greed and materialism as he realizes that he is destroying his family...not protecting it. The final film will be about the families redemption as the galactic alliance begins to Crack down on their business. Think of this trilogy as a trilogy of movies in the style of unforgiven.

Rian Johnson trilogy

Whatever he is working on...he will be a asset if he does it well. Just give him a co-writer and everything will be more than fine. Hell the writers of Pixar will surfice. Rian Johnson often has great ideas.

14 years will be dedicated to this grand project...of expanding star wars's future and past. As well as increase star wars's popularity in China. These stories are often dealing with family themes similar to fast and furious and have no connection to the Skywalker saga at all. These standalone stories will drastically expand the movies stylistically and creative

year 1: Old republic film 1

year 2: wraith film 1

year 3: underworld film 1

year 4: Rian johnson film 1

year 5: old republic film 2

year 6: wraith film 2

year 7: underworld film 2

year 8: Rian Johnson film 2

year 9: old republic film 3

year 10: wraith 3(end of trilogy)

year 11: underworld 3(end of trilogy)

year 12: Rian Johnson(end of trilogy)

year 13: old republic 4

year 14: old republic 5(grand finale of the old republic saga)


14 movies...these films will each have their sequels spaced out by 5 years. Giving directors maximum creative leverage to improve on their stories.

None of these characters are directly tied together...meaning that more freedom will be given to the directors.

Immense diversity will impact the box office...because all of them will have minority or non human protagonists.

Old republic will be the avengers films of star wars...pushed to maximum popularity by marketing campaigns and storytelling.

While the others will set up a fourth Skywalker trilogy...where it is revealed that Adrian Skywalker is the prime jedi. Setting up the final trilogy as the prime jedi as the villain.

Throughout this trilogy various characters from the past 14 movies show up, like the avengers.

 

Be more like Marvel, gotcha. That's all you could have said.

 

Also...why is that alternative narrative write-up pitch posted in a thread about A LASTING RECORD OF TLJ'S FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE?



Cheers,
Jayson

 

U.K. first week disc sales data from U.K. Official Charts website
The Force Awakens (2015): 1,250,000 (first 7 days in 2016)
Rogue One (2016): 661,000 units (first 7 days in 2017)
The Last Jedi (2017): 582,000 units (first 7 days in 2018) (TFA -53.44%; RO -11.95%)

U.K. disc sales in an individual calendar year
The Force Awakens (2015): 1,954,000 units (sold throughout 2016)
Rogue One (2016): 1,190,000 units (sold throughout 2017)

The-numbers.com still hasn't updated since March unfortunately.

https://www.the-numbers.com/weekly-bluray-sales-chart