SPECULATION Ahsoka Vs. Vader Confrontation

Woops.... Good catch. I meant when Obi-Wan learned that Vader was still alive. You're right, he obviously knew Anakin's Sith name. Yoda even says it to him in RotS.

It's not canon, but Obi-Wan supposedly learns that Vader's still alive when he hears about the Battle of Kasshyyyk. But that's from Dark Lord: The rise of Darth Vader, which is now ten years old.

I'm sorry I misspoke -- just typed it too fast I guess.

 

Ain't no thang. It will be interesting to see what new canon stories will fill in the gaps. Mainstream fans of the movies would probably just infer that Kenobi would know Vader was still alive by ANH, probably through the Force. But with new canon comics, tv shows and novels, I think ALL the gaps between the soon-to-be three trilogies will be filled, and then some!

 

What if Vader and Ahsoka have their final confrontation at the old Jedi temple where Ahsoka walked away from the Jedi. She could be going there with Ezra and Kanan to find some old Jedi holocrons or something off of som tip but Vader just wanted to lure Ahsoka out of hiding to turn her to the dark side. I just think that would be the best possible moment that rebels could have

 

That sir is an excellent idea, made even more interesting when you consider that the Emperor built the Imperial Palace on top of the old Jedi Temple in the new canon, which would only ratchet up the tension even more.

 

Unless Vader captures Ahsoka and takes her back there as a prisoner to bring to Sidious, I don't think this is very likely considering the Jedi Temple is now the Imperial Palace.

 

Ashoka won't be taken alive.

 

At first I thought that Vader would strike Ahsoka down with no hesitation and be sort of emotionless, like when he killed Obi-Wan. But then I thought, at the end of ROTS Anakin hated his master, and you could even see his dislike for him in AOTC. But Anakin doesn't really have any reason to hate Ahsoka, except that she is a reminder of his former self. So with all of this in mind Vader might have some emotional conflict while fighting Ahsoka, maybe even more so than with his fight against Obi-Wan.

 

Now, I found this thread from Google, and since I was logged on, I posted; didn't see the most recent post date so I apologize if this is a bump.

But man, do I have some thoughts on this.

With this moment coming up some time next year, I want to add my two cents. I do hope Vader kills her but NOT in the way that serves as a catalyst for his redemption. Excuse the harshness but from my own subjective point of view, that warrants a "you kidding me?"

Vader was lost. Ahsoka was created and was run with cause she's a hit. Vader was lost, it's a Skywalker story.. THE SKYWALKER relationship.

It was Luke Skywalker who inherited the power of Anakin, his father. It was Luke Skywalker, who became EVERYTHING his prophecized father was supposed to be. It was Luke Skywalker, who was in the SAME exact situation his father was in with Palpatine when he first made the turn by killing Palpatine's apprentice. It was Luke Skywalker who symbolically showed what should of happened as he tossed his saber down in defiance, staying to the light and still believing in his father's good. It was Luke Skywalker's faith, who, in the end, saved his father from an irredeemable death, and brought him to the light. Luke Skywalker holds ALL the responsibility for turning Vader back into Anakin.

Vader didn't kill the empower because the situation reminded him
of Ahsoka, he killed the empower because Luke sensed his doubt, and he couldn't let his son die. It was tragic but with the love of his son, Anakin fulfills the prophecy. Luke is responsible, having him share that with Ahsoka diminishes, in my opinion, the legacy of Luke Sywalker. Ahsoka can have a heart felt moment, but it can't hold any bearings on Vader redemption in my opinion.

 

Filoni agrees with you. He said something every similar in an interview.

 

It would be fitting if Ahsoka Vs. Vader happens in Rebels. They can still focus on the characters of SW:R its would be something the crew would be shaken on. Ahsoka would have to die in the hands of vader cause she cant go any further than the crew of rebels. I just dont see them tying her into the anthology movies. I think Vader would force choke her and the crew trying to save her...

 

I can't wait for their first meeting since TCW, it's going to be epic, I don't think Vader will want to capture her, he want to kill her to remove her from his past, Sidious is testing him after every turn.,

 

Hopefully, Vader will capture Ahsoka and gut her open like a fish. Then go after Sabine and Ezra and do the same. Then Rebels will have fewer irritating and annoying characters.

 

This is Vader still raw in the dark side. So feeling something so close made him think about it. I think she gives him a good fight cause she one with the force as seen in Rebels. I feel like Vader might force choke her and flashes back to TCW and lets her go. remember he's totally not fully committed to the darkside. you should see the darth vader video where he flashes back all his memories when he grabs his old lighsaber.

May the force be with you always...

 

I know this confrontation is going to be great, I can't wait to hear what is said between them, Ashoka may say something like ''Anakin it's you'' that may cause Vader to hesitate that's when the Ghost arrives to save her.

 

The director of the show seemed to imply she will die. He said their fight will be "everything you love" and "everything you hate". Idk, Ahsoka still seems like a fanfic character and having a character like her have an impact on Vader's personal arc just diminishes the Impact Luke has

 

No, because Yoda teaches him the way, as it is said at the end of ROTS.
But a question remains: since Qui Gon dicovered the way, he taught it to Yoda, who taught it to Obiwan.
1. why does QuiGon the discoverer never appear as a force ghost?
2. how and when did Anakin learn this ability, as he appears with Yoda and Ben as a force ghost at the end of ROTJ?

Obi actually believes that, since Padme told him just before closing her eyes for always on Polis Massa.

Huh? Vader was full of rage when he killed Obiwan, so enraged that his rage blinded him: he didn't want to see that Obiwan was higher (although Obiwan told him) and was about to cut him off.

any link/information to retrieve this?

 

I see it like the scene between Luke and Vader in the Rotj, Vader won't kill Ahsoka but Palpatine will in front of him and it will displease a lot to Vader and reinforce him in the dark side.

It could be a good answer for the Luke's scene and Vader thinking : No, not again. There were 4 people I loved, Schmi, Padme, Ahsoka and Luke and they all die because of me.

 

My ideal theory regarding the showdown is that it might go something like this:

First off, a little backstory. In ROTJ, when Luke tells Vader that he knows there is still good in him, Vader says "Obi-Wan once thought as you do". How would Vader know this? In ROTS there is little to nothing of Obi-Wan telling Vader he believes there to still be good in him. I suppose it's possible, but I was never particularly given that impression from their dialogue during the duel. Perhaps Ahsoka sought out Obi-Wan during her quest to find the truth behind Anakin/Vader, and Obi-Wan told her this. She confronts Vader, lets slip that Obi-Wan still has faith that there is good in him. Vader realizes that this means that, as he suspected, Kenobi is alive. Vader tries to pry more information from her but she doesn't budge.

Vader takes her captive and brings her to the Emperor on Coruscant. When Ahsoka still will not betray the Jedi, Sheev stands up from his chair and executes her with Force lightning. Vader stands at his side and watches... and does nothing. Allows Ahsoka to die. In my mind, this would be a PERFECT way for Ahsoka to go, and it would give some precedent for the situation Vader finds himself in, in ROTJ. If this is the Emperor's modus operandi of executing those who oppose him, perhaps Vader has witnessed MULTIPLE occasions of people being Force-lightning-ed to death. This would make his turn to the light in ROTJ all the more poignant and meaningful, as he would finally stand up to the Emperor whereas even with Ahsoka, he allowed her to die. Just my two cents.

Obviously I'm also cool with Vader personally killing Ahsoka, but if he does, I hope we see him get punished by Sheev for doing so, as Sheev wanted Ahsoka so she could lead him to other surviving Jedi. If Vader rage-kills her, any knowledge she may have dies with her.