SPECULATION Always in motion, the future is...(Remaining TFA Questions)

Great post! I would, however, like to encourage others to speculate on things NOT based on the MSW leaks. I've avoided reading those things but during the course of reading forums here, I've heard everything second hand. I don't want to debate their accuracy but I think everyone is so focused on those theories that we're missing out on some possibilities.

 

Good stuff - we should put credits down on it in the casino. Just having a bit of left field speculatory fun with the questions here since I still don't know what to think, though my gut tells me we already know more than we think. It's hard to keep all site rumors out of play.

• If the lightsaber does fall from space, how does the Anakin’s/Luke’s lightsaber lost on Bespin end up in space above Jakku?

Historically Vader recognizes this saber pre-Cloud City

After the duel on Bespin
dispatches to confirm Luke's fate ala Obi post fall in ROTS
The probe droid finds something in the air shafts. It is taken back to the Super Star Destroyer and kept by Vader - flash forward.

One of Vader's many 'homes', the SD (shown crashed in the trailer) still houses the saber in his chambers after his death. That same SD later becomes embroiled in the Battle of Jakku post Endor. Explosions with imagery of the saber falling from space. There it sits in the debris until Rey finds it scavenging the graveyards and returns it to Von Sydow who contacts the Resistance, but not before he drops a history lesson on her. Alternate theory is- recovered by Luke and becomes message in a bottle setting things in motion. Bait for the bad guys and signal to Rey.

• What is the “Vicar”’s relationship to The Resistance? Historically, an imperial leader/Moff (Boba Fett ) who surrendered peacefully at Jakku. He has been allowed to run the show on Jakku - think informant dealer - for peacekeeping and information.

• How is The First Order tipped off that the lightsaber has been found on Jakku? Von Sydow is sold out by associates for power or out of fear, or transmission interception

• Why does The First Order want Luke’s lightsaber? For the simple fact he is the only Jedi to possibly be alive as 'Snoke' and the now corrupted Kylo Ren were present at the Jedi academy massacre. If his wisdom is silenced, the FO will be able to contend with the Resistance more easily. The evil players have recently sensed his presence/taken the bait which sparks the hunt.

• What does Finn witness that makes him want to defect from The First Order? Finn's planet, family, etc. was liberated from oppressive criminals/gangsters by the FO. He joined them unaware of the their true galactic intentions. He knows of Luke to a degree and reveres him in a way so when he hears whispers of the saber + Luke maybe being alive, and after witness to slaughter of the innocent in the village, he knows he has to act for the resistance.

• If Rey is of Skywalker lineage, why is she on Jakku by herself? She is smuggled/taken there by friend/criminal, and watched over by the Vicar who took pity on her. 85% sure she is Han and Leia's based upon the concept art, cast photo, BTS footage, suspected rumors with Chewie/Ren and her skill in the Falcon. Rey is believed dead/hidden while Kylo is captured/corrupted or he holds Luke responsible thinking Rey is dead. 15% chance she is Luke's -- I'm being swayed daily. Lukes' wife via flashback (Leanne Best) daughter and (nephew?) are believed to be dead after Snoke and company bust down the academy door. Luke retreats unable to face his sister or himself. The final scene is father reunited with daughter.

• After Finn and Poe crashland on Jakku, what happens to Poe? Left for dead by Finn.
• How does Poe get off Jakku if its not with Rey and Finn? Not overly important, but since it's a shady planet, a transport would not be difficult to find.
• Why is the Millennium Falcon on Jakku? Solo is conducting business off planet and forcefully taken off world.
• What is the significance of the big freighter in space where Rey and Finn encounter Han and Chewie? I expect Han owes these criminals. He is making a deal/sizing up the favor.
• Are Rey and Kylo Ren present in Maz Katana’s flashback? Yes
• Are Supreme Leader Snoke and Kylo Ren Sith or just dark side users? Kylo is darkside. Snoke is Sith or something else.............
• Is the Resistance part of the New Republic or a separate faction? A subfaction of the Republic - a part of the allies fighting an isolated war for now
• Are Rey and Kylo Ren related? Yes. Bro/sis is more intense, but Luke having a child is cool too.
• Do Han and Leia have children? Yes
• Are Han and Leia together as a couple? Maybe, estranged at best...
• Is Snoke the head of the The First Order, or someone who manipulates things from the shadows? Shadows
• Is Rey and/or Finn force sensitive? Yes
• Does Captain Phasma wield a lightsaber? Unknown saber worn as a found trophy on her right leg, although she has no force abilities to speak of.....
• Does Luke appear in more scenes than just the flashback or ending sequence? No

 

Good thread! It feels a little similar to my own I started yesterday, but the more threads like this the better, imho! I'll come back when I'm a little more clearheaded, but for now I have a couple thoughts.

Gosh, I hope so. Not only would that image of her wielding a saber harken back to the early McQuarrie concepts of stormtroopers, I feel like we really need some more lightsaber action in this film than what we've supposedly learned so far.

I don't agree with all your answers you provided, but I really like this idea for the saber. Vader could have easily recovered the saber from Bespin kept it in his possession until his death. However, there is one flaw with your theory: his ship was the Executor, and it crashed into DS2 during the battle of Endor. For this theory to work, Vader would have had to have placed the saber in protective custody on another SSD. Or maybe a different Imperial found it on Bespin, one who eventually rose through the ranks and became Admiral of his own SSD; he kept the saber as a trophy, even after his ship crashed on Jakku. Either way, it nixes the whole "lightsaber floating through space" malarkey.

 

Captain Phasma with a lightsaber, this raises my hopes of that.

 

Right, I didn't articulate that point well enough -- Piett and the Executor went down, but what I was trying to convey was that Vader had many homes on many of these ships, and that the saber was not kept on the SSD exclusively after Bespin - he took it with him. The saber was last left on the Star Destroyer that then ends up in Battle of Jakku. Again, this was BS left field fun with major flaws I don't deny . I do think Vader may have wanted the saber, or at least that is what the story team is trying to set up with the comic encounter, so it would not be difficult to believe he sent someone/something to try and obtain it. From there it's anybodys guess.

 

I mean I am anything if not stubborn so I still cling on to the Third Order theory which pretty easily handles the lightsaber question

In regards to the Vicar I still just absolutely love the idea that he has some sort of past with Kylo Ren perhaps as his old master before Kylo overthrew him and left him stranded on Jakku where his wisdom and experience slowly made him a respected figure in the community.

If we want to go off of the definition of "Vicar" it doesn't mean anything like mayor or elder or leader like we have been interpreting it lately. A Vicar is a representative of some higher power. Or if we want to follow the British version of Vicar it's a local parish priest, which I thought of the moment I saw the name since my mother was obsessed with The Vicar of Dibley

 

Its amazing how far we've come! I remember being a lurker on this site around this time last year thinking that TFA couldn't come fast enough and wondering to myself "I can't wait till a year from now when we only have 4 months till the movie" things are about to start happening and happening fast, and a bunch of questions will be answered. This is a great thread by the way.

 

Great list!

Can I add a few?

* Why does a young, talented, resourceful and pretty young woman decide to live alone scrounging for parts and living day to day?
* Why is Finn working for the First Order if he can't stomach the evil nature of it?
* Why does Hux fire the array if it is a suicide move that wipes out the entire First Order fleet?
* Why is Yavin IV so important?
* Why are there two separate pirate gangs chasing the heroes?
* Why is a Cantina built on top of ancient catacombs?
* Why does Han go to Maz and not Leia after they found Rey? Especially given how dangerous the Cantina is.

Of course this presumes these questions need to be answered, which sometimes in a good story the answers to questions like this aren't relevant at all.

Cool thread!

 

I have plenty of questions around Finn. The more I read the more I dislike him - but your not allowed this view.

Tough am going to say it

 

Why do you dislike him?

 

I dislike Finn - Not John

I don't like the idea of leaving people for dead, not just dead but naked. Rey gets captured and he 'forgets' about her. He sounds manipulitve by getting people to 'understand' what he did. Okay I have not seen the film, which will be the litmus test on anything. Before people start screaming 'Rey' at me. She also sounds a bit bitchy and aloof to me (Not Daisy), the only one decent character sounds like Poe and that is saying something.

How can you leave someone for dead?
Does he steal Poe's identity?
He's good at talking? - Sounds like a bullshitter?

 

Those are good points and they are also very valid. If we assume all of those things actually happen we have to remember we have absolutely no dialogue. So those scenarios may play out differently on screen than on paper. But for the most part I think that the intent with Finn's character is to have a character arc where the character starts out in a bad situation, and maybe even as a bad guy, but slowly redeems himself and makes something out of his life. It's not too different than the Han arc. He left the Rebels because he didn't want to risk his neck, but in the end his conscience got the best of him, showing how he was slowly turning his life around.

So at that early point in the film when the Tie crashes and Finn leaves Poe for dead, maybe Finn thinks that Poe was just a means to get off the brig, but after a bunch of stuff happens to Finn and he makes his first real friends in Rey and Han, he sees Poe again and apologizes and they clear the air.

As for leaving Rey, he doesn't seem to have much choice in the matter, and maybe his condition in agreeing to lead the attack on the Starkiller Base is that he be on the ground in order to find Rey.

 

Its not the leaving, its the forgetting that bothers me hence the embarrassment. Maybe he doesn't, I will wait for the film. If that happend in real life I know I would be disgusted, its not even funny. If anyone finds that stuff funny then they're probably Vhlor in real life - nasty even.

 

I highly doubt he completely forgets her. He seems to have a soft spot in his heart for her

 

Like I said its am only going on description, in the film it may be handled completely differently. Am just going on the 'rumors' he doesn't come across as particularly nice at all.

 

Judge a character we have yet to meet on rumors, you should not .


Also, some technical stuff: hey @Pomojema , notice the quote mishaps in the past few posts? Just wanted to point it out; move along, move along.