SPOILER Andor Ep. 12 FINALE Discussion

Luthen is the connective tissue. Mon Mothma has been funding Luthen's network which is what enabled him to setup Aldhani and brought Cassian into the fight. The fact that Mon had no direct contact or knowledge of Cassian is a major part of the story to this point. He has no idea that a member of the Imperial Senate is funding Rebel activity. Within a couple of years, these two people, a once powerful and wealthy Senator and a once orphaned refugee will stand shoulder to shoulder and work together to save the Galaxy. This is an evolving story arc over the course of 24 episodes. That's the way it's been written. The second half was never in doubt, and from the beginning it was known that Mon Mothma would have a side story through most of the series. It provides contrast in the story. Here is Mon in her lavish home surrounded by Society constantly throwing fancy parties and being chauffeured in her shiny sedan. Down here, we have Cassian living in a grimy rustbucket town where his mom won't even spare the money to use the heater. For transport, he relies on borrowing a ship out ofbthe salvage yard. But they're both fighting the same oppressor. Sure, we could've had 12 episodes of 'The Misadventures of Cassian Andor' but this wasn't supposed to be that. This is the tightly-written, mature story of a man and the Cause that he gives his life for. We know the story of how he played his part in the Rebellion, now we're seeing the story of how he got there.

 

I'm sorry but I disagree with that line of thinking. Are you saying that this series should have been some sort of "Andor Unplugged" with him sitting on a stage in a chair with a spotlight on him as he monologs his entire life story?

Mon Mothma is an important part of this story and I was not angered by the title of the series nor her appearance in it.

 

I agree. Apparently the poster was expecting The Mandalorian and got this adult drama instead.

 

Why did you assume that I was trying to make this kind of statement? Why didn't you ask me a simple question, instead of phrasing one that not only made an assumption about me, but also insulted me at the same time? Are you bothered that I have some criticisms of the series?

Oh wow! Another assumption. I really must have rubbed a good number of people the wrong way by criticizing some aspects of the series. Is it a crime? Am I expected to follow your lead and praise everything about this show?

Why is Mon Mothma an important part of a show about Cassian Andor and is called "Andor"? Especially during Season One in which the narrative has yet to connect the two characters? Why didn't Disney Lucasfilm or Tony Gilroy simply consider another series or movie solely about Mon Mothma? Gilroy will have to work his butt off to connect the pair in Season Two, considering that "Star Wars: Rebels" had allowed Bail Organa, the Gold Squadron and the Lothal rebel cell to be mainly responsible for Mon Mothma's escape from the Empire.

 

I was really hoping Tigo was gonna get dealt with. He was a sniveling little weasel from his first scene whining for the Prefect title.

The music here is exceptional. I saw in an interview that the funeral march was the first thing Gilroy had Nicholas Britell compose for the series. He said that was when he fell in love with Britell.

I think Bix is gonna be ok. Cassian even mentions when he's handing her off to Brasso, "She's coming around..." I think "Cassian will find us" was her way of reassuring the others and also showing him that she had faith in him.

 

What assumption? I read your criticism. You stated you enjoyed the action pieces but disliked the show's 'pacing.' What was I supposed to assume from that?

 

They were involved at some point in different ways (mostly after, as seen in Rebels) but not really responsible for her escape from Coruscant. The detail of that story, from her perspective, will no doubt be told in season 2.

 

Agree to disagree then. I saw nothing insulting about my comment, I was just trying to understand what you are talking about when you so vehemently attack the idea that Mon Mothma can have a storyline in a series about the rise of the rebellion.

Your point has been made. Thanks for the discussion.

Episode 12 now at 6,416 votes on IMDB with a mean of 9.6 / 10.

 

How about . . . you weren't supposed to make an assumption and simply ask what I meant?

What the hell? I had "vehemently attacked" the idea of Mothma having a storyline in this series? I had attacked? Do you resent me for criticizing Mon Mothma's appearance in this series or even expressing criticisms of it? I wasn't attacking her appearance in "Andor". I had attacked the responses to my posts that made assumptions about what I was truly thinking without anyone bothering to ask.

And yeah . . . right now, I don't see the need for Mon Mothma in this series. Mind you, she could have made a guest appearance or two during Season One, like Saw Guerra. Perhaps Gilroy could have made her role larger and her family drama prominent in Season Two, if he has
plans to finally connect her role with Cassian's.

Look . . . I like "Andor", but I don't love it. If you feel differently, fine. But I have the right to form my own opinion of the show and express that opinion . . . just as others have the right to express their opinions.

 

Ok, got it. You don’t like the idea of Mon Mothma. Got it. Understood. got it. Thanks. Done.

 

You could just imagine that the show's title is "Andor and Mothma" instead.

 

Certainly easier to say than Mothma and Andor.

 

You most certainly do. But when you choose to criticize a widely admired and praised show, you need to be prepared for strong counter-arguments.

This isn't about you and your feelings. This is an Andor discussion thread.

 

I have been discussing "Andor". And if you and others get to express your opinions of the series, I should have the same opportunity. I should not be denied this, because my opinion is different from yours. Are you advocating censorship? People need to be prepared that not everyone is going to share their opinions. It works BOTH WAYS, don't you think?

I'm sorry, but that doesn't work for me. I have to imagine a different title for the show in order to accept Mon Mothma's nearly dominant presence in the series? No, I don't think so. Also, it seems as if you're trying to get me to change my mind.

I would say the same about Order 66, along with the destruction of Jedda and especially Alderaan.

 

I was being facetious because I don't think that Mothma appearing too much in a show where she is not the title character is a valid argument or criticism. Doesn't mean you have to change your mind and like it. But there are many far more substantial reasons why it's sensible and in fact desirable for some of the focus of the show to be on Mothma some of the time. Regardless of trivialities like the show's title.

Mothma's story and Andor's ultimately share the same context. So it would be somewhat redundant to deal with them separately. In fact Mothma's story IS the big picture context for Andor's joining the rebellion. With Luthen as the tissue that connects them (and also Vel).

 

I think that's fair. Andor IS a different Star Wars than the rest, for sure, and taste is taste. I too would like the series to have a bit more of a familiar feel to it.

Just wondering, by the way, did you like Rogue One, @LadyMusashi? And if so -- seing as it was also a pretty bleak film -- did you feel that K2-SO basically saved the film for you? And if so, then perhaps Andor season 2 will be more to your liking, seeing as K2-SO will be back?

For the record, I really liked a lot of stuff in this show, especially the preformances, but it is harldy my personal favorite Star Wars. I loved the Mon Mothma arc and the ISB vs. proto-Rebellion framing story, which were absoluty my cup of tea, but Andor's own arc and central story was just all right for me. (For context, it should also be mentioned that Rogue One wasn't quite for me, either, although that has more to do with the messy storytelling and the schizophreniacally written Jyn character)

 

I wholeheartedly agree, Angelman. The series went out of its way to tell Star Wars fans from the get-go that it was going to be a darker, adult drama set in the Star Wars Universe. That fact should have been no surprise to anyone.

Were some SW fans going to dislike it given its deliberate move away from the traditional Lucas/Favreau/Filoni-style of comedic, action-adventure shows we've come to love? ABSOLUTELY! That was a given -- adult dramas are certainly NOT for everyone. All you have to do is compare the boxoffice for most adult film dramas versus any of your typical PG-13 action-adventure flicks to see the stark difference in the numbers.

Yes, everyone is entitled to their opinions -- be they gushes or criticisms. But when you complain about the very aspects of the series that make it an ADULT drama -- as Gilroy and Company intended for it to be all along -- don't get your feelings hurt when you get some push-back from other posters. Developing some thick skin when others don't buy your particular takes is part of the message board game.