SPOILER Andor Ep. 12 FINALE Discussion

Oh please tell me we are not going down the path of two threads on here, a la the TLJ forum….ie. A “thread for those that love it” and a “thread for those that hate it”.

 

Hey! A valid and articulate counterpoint! The best thing about your post is that there is no decent way for anyone to say you are wrong, because it's based on how you FEEL about Andor. That's why I'm here! Everyone in this community that I've come to enjoy and respect, they base their comments on feelings. They don't make short-sighted or abrupt and aggressive statements and lie in wait for an argument to get defensive. Ok. Getting off my soapbox.

Your feelings on Andor are interesting, and I imagine a fair share of people find the grit and gloom are distracting. You see this similar to how I see The Clone Wars- I get it, I respect it, I just don't prefer it. I am curious, would you be interested in seeing more stories told in this style? Obviously not the Rebellion, but say, if The Acolyte was done in a similar way? I'd say from what we know so far, it may very well be another example of a dark and more mature story...

 

I think you may get your glimmer of hope in season 2, then again, there is still the overwhelming doom that we all know is coming on the beach of Scarif. I found a few moments of levity throughout Andor, although they were very scarce and very brief. It fit the tone of the characters and their perspectives of life under the thumb of the Empire.

I will agree with you, though. After the weight of Andor, I'm all set and ready for some Wham Bam! and Pew! Pew! Pew! In The Mandalorian.

 

Again, this was an adult drama. Some stories just don't lend themselves to the touches of humor found in the OTs.

As much as I enjoyed Andor, I can't wait for the Return of Mando and Grogu next February. I too want me some Pew! Pew! Pew!

 

I am incredibly happy for this show!
As a huge fan of everything Star Wars, I follow everything for canon.
And at this moment, I can't wait to re-watch this show together with Rogue One.
We had Rebels before and same as with Clone Wars adventure bridging the gap, there was this show... it was about this Rebel cell, joining the big fight later
and it was for kids and the Empire got defeated on week to week basis like in the old cartoons.
The stormtroopers can't hit blast became already a norm, so much, that they supposedly had to introduce Death Troopers to add in something more menacing, but...

Now I/We have Andor! And the story of the beginning of The Rebellion!
The show at first was a small scale, intimate story, that I started to watch because the trailers looked cool and because Star Wars, but after Obi-wan, my hype and expectations were lukewarm and I did anticipated Cassian to do some small scale stuff.
First two episodes were OK, I was interested in the dialogues and how the series looks, also, the score is superb!
I love the soundtrack in Andor way more than in Mandalorian, as somehow, it creates the atmosphere together with what happens in the scene.
The music and sounds are perfect blend with the image (as with Mandalorian, I had to get used to the score, thinking, OK, it's Star Wars but with music that's not much Star Wars that I was watching till now).
In Episode 6, I was blown away as I got used to the format and this build-up over episodes into a finale was a much needed refresh and something new.

The final episode didn't dissapoint! I was a bit sad that Deedra was saved by Syril, as after what she did and how much she made me to root against her, I had really hoped that she would get stoned on the streets!
Now we know why the Empire didn't let the inmates out of the prison, I guess that Narkina 5 was a secret labor camp and after the completion of Stardust Project, everyone will get fried - unless they will repurpose the facility for some other parts. Or we can just asume that Empire was as ruthless.
But still, in everything the Empire does in Andor, I don't see them as outright evil as shown in the original trilogy as more of a corporation and extremist form of capitalism, that's more just plain cold pragmatic and everyone there works to reach their own gains while being part of the machinery.
Peasants from the low tier up to the ranked official basically pitted against each other.

I can see the point of view from Luthen in this. He fights for the people by doing horrible stuff and using them as pawns to break the system which on paper is unbreakable and horrible things have to happen to bring the people to the brink and rise up.
He knows this pretty well and his speech in the tenth episode was chilling.

Many people are saying, that Andor didn't spark the Ferrix uprising, but actually, it was through his family...
If it wasn't for him to rebell against the empire after his stepfather got killed and Marva's upbringing, being a rebell by heart, he wouldn't end up on Aldhani - even tho because of selfish reasons - that inspired Marva to snap and incite the uprising, that Luthen was basically caught in by surprise (and definitely enjoyed).

The writing and how everything was interconnected all the way up to the finale, man, what a blast!
I just hoped that at the end, there won't be a star destroyer coming in and commencing the orbital bombardment after this.
You don't wanna live on Ferrix after Cassian and Luthen left.

Can't wait for Season 2. It was intense. Even tho I know that Cassian will die in Rogue One, it still kept me on the edge of my seat and knowing his fate, it makes it even more tragic. I really don't want this guy to die!
After the insane ending of Rise Of Skywalker, please, give us some character in Star Wars who retires, buys a farm on Glee Anselm and learns how to play the valachord!

One negative nitpick - I know that Mon Mothma will probably play bigger part and that her arc will continue in the second season, but to me, she was the only one that didn't got much of a closure in the first season. The scene in the hovercar where she pretty much framed her money issues on her husband was a bit anticlimactic for me.
I wonder how will they handle her in the concept of Season 2 happening over 5 years.
But I really trust Tony Gilroy on giving us another great season. And not a better one, as S1 was already great, therefore I hope that they will keep it steady and then I can watch Rogue One afterwards.

IMHO Lucasfilm gave us the best Star Wars content on D+

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That's his father, the owner of the shop where Bix was making calls to Luthen from the tower.
Ge got tortured before Bix and based on the comment from the official, hanged afterwards.
I forgot his name.

 

I share your enthusiasm but disagree on Mon's story arc. Throughout S1, we see Andor risk his life for a cause he hasn't even fully committed himself to. We also hear Luthen say he has sacrificed EVERYTHING for the rebellion. But what about the cool, calm, and collected Mon Mothma? Does the rich and sophisticated Senator get to walk into the Rebellion's leadership role with no real 'skin in the game'?

At the beginning of S1, viewers might think so -- but we find out through the 12 episodes that we'd be wrong.

We end S1 realizing that she lives in constant fear of being 'found out' because of her donations to the cause. We see that she lives in her own invisible 'prison' and is sacrificing both her husband and her daughter for the rebellion. She didn't have some emotional monologue like Luthen but I thought in her case, actions spoke louder than words.

 

I agree on this completely. Already wrote in other thread of previous episodes, that it was heartbraking and actually cool to see Mon Mothma, which has this collected and holy presence in both ROTJ, Rogue One and Rebels, to be a tragic and actual person in her own right.
So far, we had no idea except of her being a rebellous senator, that voiced her opinion, until one day she had to run away and join the band of space rebels onboard and in action.
I have enjoyed her storyline so much among the others, that I have hoped at least for some conclusion or send-off instead of a mild cliffhanger, that will ease my wait for Season 2.
As someone stated, we don't even know why ISB has her checked, maybe just because she goes against the flow in the senate?

 

I don't think so. I just don't. I had assumed that Cassian and Mon would somehow have a big impact upon each other by the end of this season. Or that she would have a major impact upon his arc, since this is his series. But it didn't happen. I'm sorry, but there was too much of Mon Mothma in this series for me. At least for this season. Which would explain why I found Luthien and Vel's characters more interesting to me. I would equate Mon Mothma's presence in "Andor" to Din Djarin's domination of Episodes 5 and 6 of "The Book of Boba Fett". And I didn't care for those two episodes.

Either Tony and Dan Gilroy should have made some real effort in connecting Mon Mothma to Cassian Andor's arc . .. or they should have created another series about her. At least as far as I'm concerned.

 

Here's a wild thought: Maybe they'll connect the two of them in Season 2.

 

It was always odd to me that we have this woman, this Mon Mothma, who's clearly The Leader of the Rebel Alliance, she's clearly respected by everyone. Yet she's not out there physically in the fight like everyone else, she's not even dressed in typical Rebel gear like everyone else, she almost looks like a priestess or religious figure. How and why is she in charge? Now we're starting to see. I think Mon and Vel are very much alike in their character, there was just something that put them on different paths to the same place. I hope that even beyond season 2 we get to see more of Mon's story. She's still not my favorite Senator turned Rebel, but she's got a lot of framework to be fleshed out.

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Exactly. We are only halfway through the story, 20% of the timeline. And I wouldn't be surprised if there is more of a connection written into it than we know.

 

Sad... that they could not see a Jedi in plainview

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A little bit of levity... still, I enjoyed it. Rogue One is my second favorite Disney Star Wars film, I can't count how many times I've watched it, and immediately thereafter I watched ANH.

2 years for season 2, talk about a cliffhanger... this reminds me of waiting for season 8 of GoT, I hope it doesn't end up the same way...

 

Luthen Rael listening to the blasterfire and screams: "What hath I wrought!?!?"
This scene was absolute poetry to me.

 

There was another close-up shot of Luthen that I liked when he's standing beside our would-be cops duo listening to the hologram of Andor's mother. I'll admit it was very subtle but near the end of her speech a slight squint of his eyes as she talked open rebellion made you believe he was thinking to himself, "Well I'll be damned!!! Look what's going on here!"

 

We are supposed to be respectful to others all the time, and not just when most people on the message board agree with us. Even when a series is well loved and a poster disagrees with the majority is not a reason to be passive aggressive toward them. This standard of conduct is what sets the Cantina apart from those other places.

 

Yep. I'm doing that now. S1E4 and I am appreciating it even more than ever.

 

I suspect all of the posters to this thread would agree.

Passive aggressive? It's perfectly fine for posters to criticize a show---but directly responding to those complaints is somehow passive aggressive? This is a discussion board. Posters have every right to their opinions -- and their criticisms. But by the same token, posters also have a right to follow up with their own counter arguments to perceived complaints.

Andor IS a dramatic adult sci-fi show. That is not my opinion, that's been the intentions of Gilroy and the Andor production crew that were widely advertised to the public long before the first episode ever aired, let alone the 12th Episode, the Season One Finale.

 

Hey @MBWilson , I am going to start re-reading the novelization of R1 now.....with an eye toward any tie-ins to the ANDOR timeframe or stories. Should be interesting. I think we need a separate thread just on this - we can re-watch R1 and do the same, and also include book references...

I don't know the answer to this, but have there ever been any novelizations of any of the streaming series? ANDOR would be awesome as a novel (or two....or three?)

 

I hope so, because I do like this series and I really did not see the need for Mon Mothma's character to be so prominent in this first season. Mind you, I wonder how Gilroy is going to connect the two characters, since according to "Star Wars Rebels", Bail Organa, the Rebel Alliance's Gold squadron and the Lothal rebel cell were more or less responsible for Mon's escape from the Empire. Who knows? Perhaps Gilroy will find another way.