SPOILER Andor Ep. 12 FINALE Discussion

Sigh, no. As it’s already been explained to you, we only have limited detail from Rebels about Mon Mothma’s escape. There is plenty room for additional detail and story to be told about it. The possible connection between Andor and Mothma is pretty obvious. Andor now works for Luthen, as does Mon’s cousin Vel.

 

Yeesh. I've got a stack of books I've been trying to get through already. I couldn't in clear conscience jump a Star Wars novel up to the top (as I pull Amazon up on my tablet...) I'm also chin-deep in Mando World right now, but I'm always up for a Rogue One viewing.

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Ok, here's an entirely different point that may ease your discomfort. We don't have any idea what the connection is between Luthen and Bail Organa. He didn't use an ID code from the Alderaan Trade Alliance just by random choice. I seriously doubt that Luthen is unaware of what is by now, likely the largest and most organized Rebel Faction being run by Bail and Asokha. Just because we haven't seen it, doesn't mean there isn't a link, and in fact, since Bail is still in the Senate as well, he would intentionally NOT be mentioned by name. Every event in Season 1 has been not a nudge, but a shove towards the Rebellion "going loud" as Kleya phrased it. Aldhani was scheduled to be a push, yet everything else we have seen has been unexpected acceleration that is affecting everyone including Mon Mothma. So really it hasn't been about how SHE has impacted Cassian's story, but HE has definitely impacted her story.

 

So far, I've read that there will be different directors for season 2... in 2 years allot of things can change, so no matter how good season 1 is, my expectations will be low for season 2 going forward and hopefully I'll be pleasantly surprised again.

 

Denise Gough confirmed that Mama Andor actually said "F*ck the Empire" and not "Fight the Empire". I wonder how the audience's reaction would have been. A lot of people were already losing their minds after hearing "Sh*t" in Andor.

 

I have no objection to swearing but I do think fight rather than fck is the more appropriate word in the context of the show.

 

Ooh, I would have loved that, and I would have hated that. People's heads would have exploded! I believe they made the right decision. "Sh*t!" In episode 3 didn't bother me, in fact, I didn't even notice it. The tension and the mayhem of that moment practically overwhelmed the word. But "F**k the Empire!" in that moment, would have been like a fart in an elevator- impossible to ignore. That speech was EPIC already and no further emphasis or emotion was needed.

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Same writers, so... Actually, they added a new writer who has more Star Wars knowledge since season 2 is going to be more connected to the lore. I think Tony Gilroy has earned our trust that he will continue the greatness.

 

I find your lack of F disturbing.

 

THIS! ^^^^^ Well said!!!

 

That does not work for me. Why? Because this is supposed to be Cassian's story, not Mon Mothma's. Also, it was really Luthen Rael's plan for the heist and his recruitment of Cassian, Vel and the others involved in the heist that had an impact on Mon Mothma. Without Luthen, the whole thing would not have happened. If the series had focused a little heavier on Luthen, I wouldn't have mind. Because he served as the major catalyst for Cassian's arc in Season One.

I'm certain many of you are satisfied with Mon Mothma's arc in "Andor". I wasn't. I guess we can all agree to disagree. But knowing human nature - including my own - I'm certain this disagreement will continue.

 

I just don't think "This is supposed to be x's story" is a pertinent critique. It's only relevant to an individual's peculiar rules about titles. There are other characters who actually have more screen time and also affect Andor's story. Mothma's is more conspicuous because unlike the others, she doesn't know about Andor. Nor he abort her. But they affect each other deeply anyway.

 

You wouldn't have received the suggestion to imagine another title if you weren't so fixated on what it is to the point it strictly confines what story can be told and what characters are allowed in it.

Since it is such an overriding and vexing concern a coping mechanism was offered because this is not a show problem.

It is a you issue. The content is the content regardless of the label on the box you insist it must be in.

 

Hear, hear, let’s continue civilized and diplomatic discussions; let’s not fixate on the poster, but the story at hand, please review the rules and regulations of the Cantina, in order for pleasant rather than toxic discourse.

Rule # 6 - NO FLAMING

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet.com/index.php?threads/rules-regulations-v1-5.1/

Carry on my fellow Cantinians!

 

The name of this series is "Andor". It's not "The Rebel Alliance" or "Rebels Part Deux" or anything like that. It's called "Andor". If it's called "Andor", then surely this series is supposed to be about Cassian Andor? Isn't he supposed to be the main character, since the series' title is his name? I don't mind if supporting characters have major roles in this series or any other series. But when you have a character that is almost treated as a co-lead, whose name or organization is not a part of the title, and who has yet to form any connection with the main character whatsoever . . . then I have a problem. And this is one of the reasons why I'll never view Season One of "Andor" as one of the greatest things to come out of the Star Wars franchise. Never.

 

IMHO, the show is very much about Andor, and the characters, events, and contexts that makes him into the Rebel operative we meet in Rogue One.

 

And it is.

He is. And he is.

That's handy in the context of Andor.

Hmm. I don't see why that should be a concern. Or almost a concern.

OK.

Ok. There may be people out there waiting for confirmation of your exact position on that. Or there may be an existing conversation where it's required that you view Andor in that way or else produce a compelling argument not to do so. But I am aware of none of them.

I like to hear about people's differing tastes. Even ones that seem arbitrary to me and to which I can't relate to. But I'm not familiar with the contract implied in your critique of the show. They could call the show "Sleemos", "NCISB" or just "The Empire" for all I care. As long as there is a connection with the main character and/or the substance/character and setting of the show, I have no problem with the title. I cannot think of an instance where I've felt the need to take issue with a show or film on the basis of the title.

 

You guys keep saying that, yet I found myself watching major scenes in which Mom Mothma is the main character. I feel as if I'm receiving conflicting answers about this show. It's either about Cassian Andor or it's about Andor and Senator Mothma or it's basically about the formation of the Rebel Alliance. It can't be all three. One, it's obvious that the Rebel Alliance has been more or less formed, even if it's not fully organized. Two, all of Mon Mothma's scenes have nothing to do with Cassian Andor. The only link between the two characters is Vel, the senator's cousin. Yet, the link is too weak for Mothma's scenes to dominate nearly half the series.

Thank you. You've made your point. I've made mine. And we obviously disagree.

 

Yeah, you have a problem with the series, which is fine. Nothing wrong with that. For the majority though, it seems, the show works somewhere from "great" to "awesome", which is fine, too.

I hope the next show suits you better, mate.

 

For me, Andor is the Game of Thrones of Star Wars. The tone or pace will not please every Star Wars fans, even Star Wars like shows today do not please obsessive Star Wars fans.

It's terribly ironic that so many actors have crossed over from GoT to Star Wars, and at one point Kennedy had hired the show runners of that show. I think Kennedy finally found the right creative team to make a GoT like Star Wars program. that maybe why so many want her gone, but I appreciate her efforts to produce great programing for the fans even though she might not be one.

There are individuals who don't care for GoT, so it's very understandable that some fans do not like Andor. It's not too hard to understand.

films and art are subjective mediums

 

Mate?

Aside from the last three seasons, I'm a big fan of "Game of Thrones". But I don't regard it as the best TV series I have seen. I actually liked Season One of "Andor". I just didn't love it. I don't see how not being a fan of "Game of Thrones" is equivalent to not liking "Andor". It feels as if you're trying to simplify the reasons why some people might not like either series without knowing the true reasons why.