Be willing to let go of most of your feelings of nostalgia when watching this new sequel trilogy

Ya that makes total sense, if we had all been expecting the movies to be an exercise in mediocrity at their best and cringe inducing at their worst the films would have magically been better!

It's like getting kicked in the nuts but expecting to get hit by a semi truck.

 

The OT was magic it hit at the right time and as great as they are there are points to over look. But what is great about them and new about the OT makes you swim in complete euphoria especially if you are a kid and there never was anything like it before.

Yes the PTs had low points but it also suffered from the fact that it was not new anymore. You can't see a lightsabre ignite again for the first time and if you 7 when you saw it in ANH you weren't 8 when you saw it in TPM.

The OT was a lightning strike. The attempt to capture the same lightning didn't work out for the PT. The ST will fare well cause everyone knows you can't capture the same lightning.

 

I said this back in 1999 and I will say it again in 2015, if the new characters don't resonate with the fans then the movies will never be loved.

My biggest beef with the PT is Anakin & Padme just didn't resonate with me so why should I care when tragedy hit them in Episode 3?

So far I am intrigued by Rey, Finn & Poe from the trailers even though I don't know much about them. If I walk out of TFA caring about these characters and wanting to follow their journey, then JJ did his job.

Im a SW fan and its in my DNA so they have me when it comes to Lightsabers, The Force, Space Battles, etc, its the characters that will win me over.

 

The chemistry of the actors in the PT did not work. The chemistry of the OT made up for a lot of things.

 

Seeing the new Big 3 at the SW Celebration has me hoping they will have great chemistry. They all seemed to like each other and seemed real enthusiastic about the movies. I think it also helps that they will probably be the big 3 for all 3 movies where the PT had Jake Lloyd then Hayden, so the fans had to essentially reconnect with a new actor in AOTC along with them establishing chemistry. ESB was able to excel and move the plot along in the first 10 minutes cause we were familiar with Han, Luke, & Leia.

 

Game Of Thrawns?

 

I've heard a lot of one kind of statement in regard to people's expectations of the new movies that I honestly just don't understand, and the statement goes something like "_____ isn't/aren't Star Wars".

I feel pretty confident that if Lucas, Kersher, and Kasdan thought about Star Wars that way then imagine the things we never would have gotten to see:

• "Ghosts aren't Star Wars"
• "Abominable snow men aren't SW"
• "Swamps aren't SW"
• "Walking tanks aren't SW"
• etc.

So seriously, for me, bring it on. Bring on the castles, the artifacts, sithcaliber, flashbacks, pirates. Bring it all on and reveal more breathtakingly unforeseen portions of this universe we all love, just like all the other SW movies have.

 

i still disagree but thats pretty funny lol

 

Honestly you couldn't be more dismissive of the actual criticism people have about these films.

To be perfectly frank, the special editions and the prequel trilogy made me convinced that Lucas had no respect for his own fans and his own movies. It really seemed that he was totally in his own little world kept away from criticism and has never been forced to face reality during that whole period.

The general impression is that Lucas himself wasn't even aware of what made Star Wars cool in the first place. Lightsabers and spaceships helped but that really wasn't it, it was the story, characters and believable lived in setting they inhabited.

The prequels had none of that. They didn't even have a main protagonist pushing the story forward. They had an invisible hand guiding all of the actions and forcing the characters to go just go with the plot.

We're on totally different wavelengths here, let me try to make this easy to understand: The major issue most people have with the prequels is that it's all chuck full of "because movie" logic thanks to really bad writing that should have seen extensive rewrites from a professional.

I mean the main antagonistic force of the prequels is right in your face pretending to be something else and his plan makes no sense, and it doesn't have to because he's the puppet master and whatever happens is his plan and there's no stopping it.

It literally takes a good six hours of sitting through the prequels before our heroes realize what is happening and by that time, we've already dealt with all the forgettable cannon fodder minions that are never really fleshed out much, and that too is part of the plan. They're just there to help the Emperor eventually get to Anakin Skywalker, so the films which Lucas describes as "the real story" are full of fluff and never take any time to allow the important characters to ever breath and develop naturally.

That's the level of sloppy grade school level writing we got here. It felt like the sort of stuff I used to come up with my friends when I was in 3rd grade.

 

I am not trying to be dismissive of people's feelings. I shared a point which is part only a small part of my overall view of the PT. I am aware the PT fails at a number of things though I do not dislike them as much as some people.

That said I think the issue is complex and I do think that part certainly not all of the relationship of the OT and the PT comes down to idealized memory and unfulfilled expectations.

 

Haha this is garbage. Went to library to research old reviews? Modern reviews unreliable because reviewers are remembering the movies from childhood?? Hahah holy leaps of logic batman.

 

Hey if you like em more power to you, but I think what many Star Wars fans are not honest about is that people like and dislike them for the same reasons, because these are not complicated movies. It's not difficult to break them down.

And I feel like invisible guiding hand pushing the plot wherever it needs to go no matter what is going on or who is involved describes pretty accurately what was seen on the screen in those films.

It didn't matter what our heroes went through, they were inevitably going to lose, all the more reason to focus on developing said characters and letting the story play out in a more natural way that made sense, what we ended up with was just extremely lazy. It was like going through a story we already knew and finding no surprises along the way, except Jar Jar stepping in poop. Can't say I saw that one coming.

 

My issues with the prequels is that they tried to explain everything. There wasn't the myth, the magic that made the OT so special. The force was something I didn't understand, couldn't see, but I knew it when I saw it (sort of like porn). I hated having to be told that some little boys numbers were so off the chart that he is special, no, he really is special! It just felt forced.

 

Here's the adjusted gross for the six films:

Star Wars $1.4 billion (2nd only to Gone with the Wind)

Empire $797 million

Jedi $763 million

Menace $733 m

Clones $434 m

Sith $481 m

So basically Star Wars alone made almost as the entire prequel trilogy combined.

 

very interesting statistics. the casual fan vs. the hard core, though may be a bit more difficult to calculate...some fans saw the prequels multiple times. i think that makes any future statistics even more difficult to predict.

 

Huh?

 

im sorry let me explain. many OT fans saw the phantom menace multiple times... along with the rest of the prequel saga. i know that we are considering the quality of the OT vs the PT, but that fact sort of screws the numbers. i think even with inflation, its difficult to asses the quality with the box office earnings.

 

Totally agree, for me i just didn't care for any of the PT characters the way i did for Luke, Han and Leia. it was hard to care about any of the PT characters because i already knew their fates, i knew Anakin would become Vader, i knew Obi-wan would survive and i wasn't given enough time to care about Qui-gon because he was dead right away.

So i ended up just watching them, waiting and waiting for things to happen that i knew would happen and that perhaps would have been enough to enjoy them if it had been done well but it wasn't.

Bad direction/acting aside, it's kind of an inherent weakness of doing a prequel that you already know how things will end up. so all you're left with is watching "how" rather than "what".

I have a feeling i will enjoy these new characters/movies a lot more because they have a new story that i don't know how its going to end. not to mention the original trilogy characters who i still don't know their fates.

 

It doesn't have to be that way though, and it wasn't exactly a tall order getting us where we needed to go. There were very basic plot points that had to be covered but there was plenty of opportunity to tell an original story.

Well we kind of did get that, but it wasn't very good or clever and it came at the cost of basically turning Obi-Wan into a complete liar and outright betraying the characters and set up of the original trilogy in completely unnecessary ways.

 

Yeah, the Sequel Trilogy will be unexplored history in the GFFA (other than the now non canon EU) It will take us to new planets, meet new creatures, new characters, and an unknown continuation of our favorite characters stories. TFA I trust will be great. I have a good feeling about this new trilogy.