Be willing to let go of most of your feelings of nostalgia when watching this new sequel trilogy

Prequel Bashing does lead to the Dark Side...but I think people should be able to say what they want. Some people were disappointed in the PT, some people choose to be vocal about it. It's all good. Don't let it ruin Star Wars for you! If you love the PT, love on!

 

Yeah. Censor all those mean people with different opinions. That way no one can feel bad.

I hope we are all adults here and can handle a little back in forth of opinion without calling 911 for help.

We are all very passionate about these stories. We can all agree on that. I can't wait for SW7.

 

I quite enjoy the sequels, but for me you have to watch them before the OT

The other way round just makes them a little tedious.

 

While I understand that you would prefer not to see critical opinions of the PT here in the Cantina, we have no desire to institute any rules that prohibit "bashing". Another prominent SW forum went down that road about a decade ago and ended up running a whole lot of long-time members off of their boards in the process. Mods were micromanaging posts, throwing bans around like Shriners hucking candy at a parade, and generally making things miserable for anyone who had anything even vaguely negative to say about any of the PT movies.

That is exactly what we DON'T want the Cantina to turn into. And it is practically inevitable that a ban on "bashing" will end up the same way here that it ended up on that other site.

On top of the fact that this isn't the tone that we want for the Cantina, there's also the logistical problem to consider as well. Our staff simply does not have the time to police each and every post to ensure that there's no "bashing" contained therein. Nor do we have the time to respond to countless complaints that so-and-so was "bashing" one of the movies. After all, one person's "bashing" is another person's honest opinion.

I'm sorry if this isn't exactly the kind of controlled forum environment that you prefer, and I hope you'll still continue to post with us. But as long as forum members aren't engaging in personal attacks on one another or breaking the established forum rules, then they are free to express whatever opinions they may wish to. And of course, they are also free to disagree with opinions they don't share.

 

The problem is that the SW fanbase is so diverse these days that you are going to have factions that love some of it, like some of it , hate some it, etc. When you start regulating one fanbase then you have to regulate every fanbase and that is when you have to ask, 'what is a basher?"

You mention your frustration with PT bashing, but you never mention about people who bash ROTJ? people who bash the EU? OOT basher? Special Edition basher? Heck, there used to be one poster named Binary Sunset at TFN who only loved The Original SW and nothing after that. The ironic thing was he was one of the best posters on that site despite loving only 1 of the 6 movies. Now we have another trilogy which will of course probably open up a new type of ST basher. If Luke, Leia and Han are only in Episode 7, that may create and Episode 8 & 9 basher?

The best way to approach these SW boards is to talk/debate/argue about the movies, but to step away if it ever gets to, "The SW movies I like are better then the SW movies you like!"

 

My problem with the Prequels was that the characters were so stiff... basically monks and politicians. There wasn't much "fun"... sure there was action, but you weren't all that worried about the characters, you knew most of them survived until that 3rd prequel. The dialogue was stiff too. The big Naboo battle scene was pretty boring. Jar Jar was just distracting, sure the little kids thought he was a funny, but he was pointless otherwise.

The relationships weren't really built between the characters. They didn't go through a lot together. The OT was essentially an adventure and buddy films, they were fun. The characters had each other's backs. The prequels could of gone in so many directions, a pure Anakin story, showing his discovery and his ENTIRE training. Or an Anakin and Obi Wan buddy series that ends tragically with him becoming Vader, or phsycological drama about how Palpatine turned and manipulated Anakin.

But we didn't get that. The Prequels didn't just lack some nostalgia, it lacked a lot of elements that made the OT great.

 

I think we should all embrace our basher-hood. Let's have icons associated with our avatars. I'll take a Prequel Hater one and 1/2 of a Special Editions Hater one. Throw in a Jar Jar Ruined My Childhood badge. And a Why, George, Why? badge.

 

My problem wasn't that the Prequels weren't too different.. they were boring for the most part. The political setting just wasn't interesting.

 

Aren't we all?

 

But the thing is, that's fandom. Not just for Star Wars, but for anything at all.

It's like people who dig a band that's been around for a long time. There will be those who like the new stuff best, there will be those who say "Man, I never bother with anything after such-and-such a year", and people who like the band's whole range of different musical eras. It doesn't mean that some of these people are fans and others are not. It's just how appreciation of art happens to work, especially when it has wide appeal.

Some people are going to hate TFA. It's inevitable. And they will hate it for different reasons from one another. Hopefully, far more of us will like it than hate it, and even there we'll probably all like it for a variety of different reasons, not all of which will line up exactly from one fan to the next.

It's just how this whole dealio works, and that's what I think gets lost in fan forums where only certain opinions are allowed, and others are prohibited.

 

What makes a good film? I could say that your standards show your ignorance and lack of understanding, but that would be argumentative... and we don't do that around here. We are a nice friendly board that would never insult someone for this opinions... we would talk about the merits of those opinions themselves. We talk about the posts, not the posters...

For the record, "good" is a subjective term which presupposes the qualifications by which the film is being measured, which is entirely based on the position and point of view of the person making the judgement.

To a studio executive, "good" would mean a film that maximizes profitability off the most minimal investment of resources.

To a film critic, "good" would be a film that exhibits unique esthetic qualities.

To a director, "good" would be a film that accurately represents their "vision"

To a 7 year old child, "good" is a film that his father actually took the time to bring him to, one that allow them to get a soda large enough to bathe in, and a tub of popcorn all to himself, slathered in butter that will get all over his fingers....

Star Wars was a grand epic... it has become a part of our culture. The greatest failure, the ONLY failure it ever had, was in failing to live up to the expectations of some fans who wanted it to be what they wanted it to be, instead of enjoying what was put in front of them... in that, you are as guilty as anyone else for calling the film materialistic, for you are judging that part of the saga by your standards, and not by those of the person making the film...

Let's remember to keep it friendly, fellas...

 

Okay, hands up, anyone here who ever actually uttered or typed the phrase "George Lucas raped my childhood."

 

...I don't remember that....but I do remember him making my childhood awesome!

Also...don't forget about the Holiday Special Bashers.

 

Only true fans love the Holiday Special haha

 

I enjoyed Joe Dirt. A lot. I still don't think it's a great movie. I know it sucked, but I enjoy it and I'm fine with that. You can enjoy the PT all you want and nobody should be able to tell you differently but the PT wasn't as good as Joe Dirt