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OFFICIAL NEWS Carrie Fisher told to slim down for TFA reprisal role

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Grand Master Galen Marek, Dec 1, 2015.

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    I'd say Hollywood is all about the money, and people paying for tickets are all about the looks. I'm generally ok with people enjoying superficial things in media. I mean, normal people aren't that smart and can't perform many of the physical feats seen in film, but we enjoy seeing superhuman qualities in our fiction.
     
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    I'm with you in the fact that people have a right to watch beautiful people do great things. To watch intelligent people solve impossible problems. But I do think in a rush to top each other, the public has pushed Hollywood into an unattainable image of physical perfection in our movies. Just look at what Daniel Craig said about the 6 months of work he has to do to fit the mold of James Bond. Was Sean Connery or Roger Moore really that bad. My mom used to swoon over Connery the same way people swoon over Craig now, but I guarantee you Connery wasn't working out 6 hours a day for 6 months to get rock hard abs for his shot walking out of the ocean in Dr No the way Craig had to.

    So, in effect, the lost reality impacts relatability. I can't relate to that Bond. But I can relate to Connery's bond. Even if I know I'll never be near as suave as that fine man. But the escalation of physical perfection to near comedic levels does start to make the characters seem flat. I love Thor, but give me Harrison Ford over Chris Hemsworth in terms of personality any day. Ford didn't have a problem showing a little flab as Indy. Today, that wouldn't sell.
     
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    The point is they wanted the OT characters to look as much like their OT-era selves as possible so audience members won't have to struggle to recognize them. They want the audience to immediately know it's Han, Luke or Leia when they see them on screen. Sorry, but weight is part of that. If you're 50 pounds heavier now, it is going to take the audience out of the film.
     
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    Physical attraction factors into love. Do you want me to believe that a person can romantically love someone they're personally not physically attracted to? And can you tell me that same person's own appearance accounts in who they find physically attractive?

    A vague metaphysical appreciation of "love," does not change that it has a strong biochemical component centered around the successful propagation of genes, and physical attractiveness is correlated with a prediction of success. So even if you center your perceptions of a potential romantic partner around their "personality," often times a "good" personality just makes a person appear more physically attractive than your objective standard.

    In other words, you STILL perceive them as physically attractive.
     
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    Physical attraction is one aspect of love. I love my wife, for many reasons other than physical attractiveness. I would not abandon those things if I had my choice of the ten top supermodels in the world just because the physical attractiveness is higher. Without the rest, it is meaningless. But you seem to say, that anyone who is not with the most attractive person in the world is settling because its the best they can get. I disagree with that completely.
     
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    This bread went from weight loss to being in love with each other...
     
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    The conversation spurred by Carrie's comments was on the positive and negative impacts of Hollywood's strong emphasis on a specific ideal body type. One's own opinion on beauty is strongly informed by their definition of love. Who I love is my personal ideal.
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    You edited after I responded and it cleared up your position for me. So now, I think we are actually saying the same thing in different ways. Your original post gave me the impression that you said everyone was in search of the hottest person they can get within their own capabilities and then settles for that person. And I was saying that there was more to it than that, and there are a wide range of factors that determine attractiveness.

    Seems we actually agree there. :)
     
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    My "settling" comment was towards the direct quote of another user who basically talked about"ugly people choosing ugly people because they are ugly." It wasn't about about general romantic love.

    Anyway, my point is ,on your regard, that nonphysical traits in a person can make them appear MORE physically attractive to a person. This is a necessity because the biological purpose of love is to create a pair bond, and promote to raising of children. A very physical act. What we call love is just a way to make a person of a certain objective level attractiveness appear moreso in the eyes of the other. In other words, what we call love is a emotion with the sole purpose of sticking individuals together to increase the survival odds of their offsrping.

    All that being said, none of us know these celebrities, and that why they have to appear physically inoffensive. If they were physically attractive, we'd be less inclined to be indifferent towards them. Remember the name of the game here is to draw people in.

    I'm not saying it's right or wrong. It just is.
     
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    I find your lack of faith about love disturbing...
     
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    From an objective pov that's what it's for. Lizards don't have it, and that's why they don't bond.

    All the mystical qualities about it can be attributed to Hallmark.
     
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    Always good to increase awareness yeah?

    Old news I know but I like the answer from this Hollywood actress to a diet/weight loss question.



    Scarlett: “How come you get the really interesting existential question, and I get the like, “rabbit food” question?”
     
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    My point is though that there are other factors. yes, except for some rare exceptions, its unlikely a famous actor or actress will be ugly. But my issue is with the overemphasis on physical attractiveness causing a lack of emphasis on charisma. There was a time, when celebrities were beautiful, but they didn't need to be perfect. They could have a bit of flab. They could have a crooked nose. Because their personalities were as big a part of what was being sold as their looks. That is rare in this day. There is no allowance for any flaw. All leading men must be chiseled, and all leading ladies must be rail thin. This was not the case even as little as 15 years ago. It is a recent trend that has spiraled into a culture over-consumed with perfection. I'm all for personal well being and fitness, but what has resulted from the culture of perfection is an unhealthy obsession with your own looks to, I think, the detriment of pop culture.

    Part of my job out in the real world is hiring people. Without fail, when I ask people what their personal hobbies or interests are to figure out if they do smart or productive things with their down time, the answer is always... "I like to go to the gym". "I like to work out". This isn't a hobby. Its just self-maintenance. Good for them for being fit, but what is lost in that time we spend making ourselves perfect. What other pursuits of personal growth or relaxation or companionship aren't people taking part in with that time lost? It's a self perpetuating cycle of self obsession that I find unhealthy and leads to a bland and hollow culture.
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    The "mystical qualities" are a psychological concept of human society. Something we invented to understand our world. Like philosophy or religion. It doesn't make it not real. In fact, it makes it uniquely human and even more critical in my view.
     
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    I think it has to do with a change in acting and less focus on the "movie star." Personal charisma matters less because actors are now expected to disappear in their roles. In other words, who they are as a person isn't relevant. So the only way you can stand out in medium more and more defined by the visual and method acting, is if you LOOK the part. They wanted Fisher to lose weight because Leia isn't the type to let herself go.

    I honestly think people look to the surface, at least when it comes to actors, because actors are supposed to be empty vessels now.
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    That was a bit of a joke to be honest.
     
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    I am as libertarian as it gets but all the BS PC brigade these days with their 'fat shaming' nonsense winds me up.
    Other than the obvious health benefits.. let's be honest here.. you can't be Princess or General Organa and be overweight!

    You would look like you don't care about anything at all, let alone the state of the universe. People are gonna think 'This biatch don't care about anything at all!'

    How are you gonna be disciplined to get anything major done like the resistance when you can't even control your diet ffs. LOL.

    It would just reek of dis-ingenuity and would be unauthentic. Healthy body, healthy mind.

    + This is Hollywood, if you want to be fat then do something else or as Ronda Rousey says 'Be a do nothing biatch!' :D
     
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    No thanks.

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    Hah, well you and @alex clearly disagree on that topic so I'll just let you two work it out. (duel)
     
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    Eyeballs favor attractive, slimmer, younger, symmetrically faced people.
    A large part of commercial visual media is about selling eyeballs to advertisers.

    My concern is how growing up in a world bombarded with these images of beautiful people and advertising's "dream-life" will effect kids.

    I'm very conscious when making comments about food/appetite/eating/sizes around my nieces.

    (Those nieces that could say skinny Disney princess names before they could say their [alway's fun and around] uncle's name! :( I dropped the "uncle" early on - sounds too much like "un-cool";))
     
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    Uncles and aunts are way cooler than parents, trust me. They're even cooler than grandparents because they not only spoil the kids, they're young enough to goof around. ;)

    But girls do really love those princesses. Truthfully, if they don't put Rey in a pretty dress at some point, they are making a huuuuuge marketing mistake. It's not the skinniness the girls emulate, it's the dress. Seriously. My daughter loved Mulan, but wanted a pink Princess Aurora dress, shoes, and hat- and never even saw Sleeping Beauty once. She'd run around pretending she was Pocahontas, in a pink dress.
     
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    This is a valid point. Although it does raised a bit of chicken and the egg scenario. Has acting evolved to prefer empty shells, or did we demand it? But even so, to a certain extent the idea of pure method is a crock. Personality (or lack there of) still shines through. Its why Christian Bale comes off like a cocky ass in every part regardless of who he is inhabiting. Or the late great Phillip Seymour Hoffman who was so able to imbue himself with another personality, but was always distinctly PSH, bringing more than just method to the role. So, I do think there is a balance to be had. The "great actor" can bring more than looks even in an age where that is not prized very much.
     
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    The Lady Vader thing is interesting because Leia's parentage may not be widely known. Imagine Kylo's shock if confronted by Leia in full-on calm but intimidating mode AND using Jedi mind tricks before bringing on the rage and cutting remarks like she used to. That would be scary.
     
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