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OFFICIAL NEWS Carrie Fisher told to slim down for TFA reprisal role

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Grand Master Galen Marek, Dec 1, 2015.

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Should she have?

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    A combo of Your Worshipfulness and Lady Vader would intimidate anyone, for sure!
     
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    Its cool. We are used to disagreeing. I find Shumer to be lovely and hysterical. At least we have similar taste in jokes.
     
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    That's a no Issue, i was with Carrie about Slave Leia, i would be with her on this if they didn't ask the same for Mark Hammil
     
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    the fat shaming thing is a weird issue to me because it implies that the people who either speak for or against it (whatever "it" is) know exactly what are the variables that make people fat. so now we got people on the internet with a thousand different different opinions about what really makes people fat or lose weight without really understanding or wondering if the fat shaming is really just a social engineering sheme to either keep the "proud" people to keep eating bad food (big bucks for fast food joints or any other INDUSTRY) or go to the gymâ„¢ and work out and be obsessed in those boring repetitive machines.
     
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    I don't think you have to believe in pure method to acknowledge there's less demand for actors to be "good personalities" outside of the screen, but even so, what makes Bale a good jerk on screen is probably not a quality that wins him any friends off screen anyway.

    Another irony of using Bale and PSH as examples is both's commitment in changing how they LOOK(ed) on screen; work that would put what Carrie had to do to shame. In fact, if they could disappear completely it wouldn't be a discredit to them, so I'd go so far to say that these actors are popular because they are less likely to be visible in their work than say, John Wayne.

    If Bale could play a meek and mild mannered guy nobodies going to say "where's his trademark d-bag
    essence!?" Just look to The Big Short. This movie is interesting because he seems to be playing a totally different guy than we'd expect.

    The days of going to a movie to see Clooney be Clooney is just about gone.
     
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    I'm not talking about an actor only bringing his own personality like a Wayne or Clooney. I'm just talking about bringing charisma to a role that is unique to the person. It wasn't a slight at PSH or Bale. I think it makes them different than the imitators that they can combine method with their own personalities to transcend the typical acting cliches. And I'm not criticizing either type of actor. There are great actors in every school.

    What I'm saying is that the emphasis is no longer on charisma. Only beauty. Charisma and personality still exist, but can be completely omitted from the equation of creating a star in today's Hollywood. The pendulum has swung so far towards the physical, that there is little room left to assess the intangible qualities that once separated the superstars from the working actors. If Jaws was remade today, do you think Richard Dreyfus and Roy Schneider would make the cut? Neither are bad looking men in any way. But they don't meet today's standards. But in the 70's personality counted as well which allowed them to start in one of the biggest films of all time. That movie shot today would be Chris Pine, Channing Tatum and a grizzled Denzel Washington as Quinn. All fine actors, but it significantly changes the fell of the movie.

    Or even more recently. Compare Pratt and Howard to Neil and Dern as the stars of the most recent and original Jurassic Park movies. I like both Pratt and Howard, but there is a clear shift there in the physical department. In the new version the stars are younger and more attractive.

    In a way it makes the movies less unique. They all start to feel the same. Homogonized. Jurassic World may have broken records, but in a way it feels like it will be forgotten quickly. It doesn't feel like it will have the staying power of Jurassic Park. I've already forgotten the characters' names and most of their character traits. That can be chalked up to weak writing, but the allowance for writing to be sacrificed for spectacle is just another example of valuing the superficial over all else.

    Finally, to your points about Carrie. I just want to reiterate because I feel my comments are being misconstrued. I don't think Disney did anything wrong in asking her to lose weight. Nor do I think Carrie was complaining regardless of what the internet rush to judgment brigade wants to think. She was talking about a deeper more nuanced issue. About her own self perception and about what society and the entertainment industry has done to people's judgment of their own self-worth. And she admits to being sucked into it as well. I don't blame Disney, or Lucasfilm, or the actors as its a product of what we demand as an audience. And if you want to work in that industry, you have to meet our demands. I'm just questioning why our demands have changed so drastically in the last 15-20 years.
     
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    interesting post
     
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    You know, after reading this I'd say that they demand charisma more now than they did in the 60s through 90s, but mostly for popular films. To be honest, the way they now cast big budget films is more similar to the studio system before the time of the Movie Brats, the time when Jaws came out. Guys like Chris Pratt and The Rock are like those old cats from the 40s. . . on crack; but to say all of the industry is like that is a misunderstanding of how today is different:

    Pulling people based off of what they bring to the role is pretty much a product of the post code era in the late 60s where they started looking to the theater for talent. That method hasn't really gone anywhere, but on the other hand, it wasn't really done before the 50s.

    And Jaws, you got to understand, no one was making Jaws thinking, this is gong to be a blockbuster. It was the product of a change in the way movies were distributed, advertised, and made. It was a fresh answer to the studio system, which is why you get guys like Dreyfuss, and Spielberg directing.

    But now the biggest difference is there are more movies than ever before. Films that focus on talent over looks exist in far greater numbers than they did in the 70s; but on the other hand films with big budgets and attractive people have a much larger reach, and are also made in greater frequency.

    What we have now is a blending of the old studio way of casting and the post code era of casting.

    All that being said, you can rest assured that every casting choice is done to sell the movie (whether in tickets or awards.) If acting sells the movie, then you'll get actors, if pretty faces sell the movie, you get pretty faces.

    That's never changed.
     
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