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SPECULATION Colin and Disney's creative differences explored. Unverified evidence.

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by YubNubBub, Feb 25, 2018.

  1. YubNubBub

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    Speculative and unverified:

     
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    Well he did say (b4 he was fired) he had "big plans" for L&L. Not sure if he meant by them living.
     
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    Colin was wise to see what is forthcoming.Snoke's early slaughter,Carrey Fisher's death ,Luke's physical death and Rey random is starting point from which ep.IX continues,which would make any dirrector in history to sweat.
    And public is already on the rampage.
     
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    To me it seems as if the biggest schism between Trevorrow and Kennedy was Luke's character. Colin wanted Luke alive for Episode IX, but for some reason both Kennedy and Rian wanted him dead. I think that's where the issue stems from.
     
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    I agree, with no resistance, no compelling characters left and with the heart of Star Wars gone (Luke Skywalker), I do understand why Colin faced trouble with KK and co. :(
     
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    I completely see why that would be an issue for CT but is there any documented evidence which supports this? In fact, has CT said anything since his departure from IX?
     
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    That video is a joke. He's an authoritarian director and anything but a teamplayer, that's why he was fired. :) CT already had the finished screenplay on hand when he started to write IX, so this video is a complete bogus. Don't shoot the messenger.
     
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    That was depressing to read as CT’s storyline/arc of the ST was so much better. Now we have Episode 9 essentially starting from square one and nothing to really look forward too, IMO.

    I put ‘IMO’ because that’s how I view Episode 9 and not speaking for anyone else. It’s amazing that I loved TFA and because of TLJ, I really don’t care about Episode 9 other then stuff like this that talks about what could have been.
     
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    Some of the actual contributing factors were Carrie Fischer's death, and having to do a complete rewrite of the Episode IX script and story in light of that event. Creatively, CT and Lucasfilm were not able to reconcile after Carrie's death. That and that fact that CT's movie 'The Book of Henry' was a critical and financial dud sealed the deal, Lucasfilm decided they didn't want to gamble to success of Episode IX and the franchise in Trevorrow's hands.
     
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    I didn't know that Carrie's death had such a significant impact on his departure. Obviously, 'The Book of Henry' had a negative impact but seems somewhat unfair if it contributed dramatically given the massive success of Jurassic World. I guess the age old nugget of 'creative differences' is what really nosedived the whole affair. Though I wasn't really blissfully overjoyed that CT was set to helm IX, it's always interesting to glean pieces of info of what could have been and I hope we get more of that after IX is released as I do wonder how much, if any, of CT's concepts will have been used and also what has been outright discarded.
     
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    And just imagine if this story, as told in the video was accurate, just stand still and think. The movie, as proposed in the video, revolved around Luke and Leia. That's just plain stupid.:)
     
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    Kathleen Kennedy dressed like Emperor Palpatine being asked about the OT characters, “Wipe them out, all of them!!!” :p
     
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    https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/star-wars-rumor-colin-trevorrows-episode-ix-would-have-been-epic

    We all know that Colin Trevorrow quit (or was fired depending on who you believe) Episode IX over creative differences. Now a story has come to light that (it should be noted that at this time it is not a confirmed report) explains exactly what those differences were.

    According to the report, Trevorrow felt it was a huge mistake to kill off Luke Skywalker so soon after reintroducing him to the audience. Luke was to play a major part in Trevorrow’s Episode XI and if one reads between the lines, he thought it was a "disservice to fandom" to kill Skywalker off as this Tweet may indicate

    "And as noted, Colin Trevorrow seemingly took a swipe at Disney and LucasFilm by stating the new Jurassic World trilogy "is built for a new generation, but not at the expense of the fandom. Without them we’re nothing..."

    Again, if you read between the lines Mark Hamill seems to inadvertently shed more light on the subject by saying that he was "onboard with what Trevorrow was doing” and "I had discussions with Colin. I was very excited because we were on the same page in terms of where we wanted to go and how we wanted to see Luke in a way that we never seen him.” Clearly from this quote one can summarize that Luke was not going to be dead in Trevorrow’s Episode XI.

    Mark Hamill is also famously on record as initially being opposed to what Rian Johnson wanted to do with Luke in TLJ. Here’s another quote "I said to Ryan, I said, "Jedi's don't give up. I mean even if he had a problem he would maybe take a year to try and regroup, but if he made a mistake he would try and right that wrong." So right there we had a fundamental difference” and "I almost has to think of Luke as another character. Maybe he is Jake Skywalker. He's not my Luke Skywalker, but I had to do what Ryan wanted me to do because it serves the story well, but listen, I still haven't accepted it completely. It seems the direction Colin Trevorrow wanted to take the character made a lot more sense to Hamill.

    The article goes on to state "he (Trevorrow) still needed Luke alive for the story he wanted to tell to end the trilogy - "more of a Luke handing off the baton to Rey and a Luke walking off into the sunset" idea, in the last film - rather than Luke dying in 8. They refused. He argued. They fired him. However, Kennedy and Johnson wanted Luke dead - period. If this report is true, it’s very upsetting as the way Luke was handled as well as his ultimate fate in TLJ were cringe worthy .

    Trevorrow also wanted Snoke to live and be a major part of Episode IX. How many fans did Rian Johnson upset by simply killing Snoke off without giving any explanation as to who this guy is or how he came to such a prominent position in the affairs of the galaxy? It’s as if the Empire never went away. Insert bad guy X and nothing really changed after the victory of ROTJ. The audience deserved to know more.

    Please, don’t kill the messenger if this unconfirmed article that is starting to pop up on various sites turns out to be false. I obviously can’t confirm it, but it does seem to make sense on some levels. From the sound of it, I think both The Last Jedi and Episode XI would have been much better if they took the story in the direction Trevorrow wanted to take it, but that’s just my humble opinion



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    This doesn't make sense. At all. If these were the reasons, they wouldn't have fired Colin in September 2017, when The Last Jedi had all but finished its postproduction. It's a bit late to ask for such a big change as Luke surviving, isn't it? I know that there are some who dislike the artistic decisions made in VIII, but this is a desperate attempt to force a narrative in which Rian is the evil incarnate. Also, this:
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    PS. Can a mod merge this thread with the other one on the same topic, please? Thank you. :)
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Feb 25, 2018, Original Post Date: Feb 25, 2018 ---
    This video explains everything in Mark Hamill’s perspective. (Basically a video version of your written article) 4:25 and onwards it talks about Colin
     
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    RJ had a flop 2. TBOH was a convenient excuse.
     
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    Hamill, “Me and Colin were on the same page with the Luke character......”

    Those words will always stick with fans like me who didn’t like TLJ and think, “What if.....”
     
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    Wanting Luke alive while RJ and KK wanted him dead does sound like a Creative Difference. It would be even harder on him once Carrie died. None of this is surprising.
     
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    I was never too encouraged to have him directing a Star Wars movie in the first place so it is hard to actually care what the reasons for upgrading the talent are.

    Maybe he would have surprised me but I think the success of Jurassic World was given too much weight and it was an overly corporate minded hire in the first place thinking he could run with the ball and turn in a crowd pleaser based off how JW performed and seemingly little else.
     
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    I think that Trevorrow did a solid job with Jurassic World. Would they really fire him because The Book of Henry wasn’t a smash at the box offfice? Did they honestly expect that film to light it up with audiences? It’s not as if Rian Johnson’s previous films were major blockbusters. As a matter of fact did he have a single box office hit before TLJ? One could argue that neither one of these directors (throw in Lord + Miller) were ready to direct a Star Wars film which is quite telling about Kathleen Kennedy.

    As far as Episode XI goes, I think it’s far more likely Trevorrow wanted Luke in his film and Kennedy wanted to forge her own version of Star Wars with her own direction for the series and with new characters.

    If this story is true it was a MAJOR mistake on Kennedy + Disney’s part...Anyone who thinks Episode XI will be better off centered around Rose, Poe + Finn and not the legendary Luke Skywalker should not be making Star Wars films...It’s also a little upsetting that they seem to be making these stories up as they go along
     
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