Criticisms Of Rogue One

Sucks for them. I was almost the target age for the Prequels but knew there was something different about them when I started to fast-forward through TPM when I got the....VHS.......lol.

 

Yeah, maybe I just phyched myself out. I saw the figure in white, immediately knew who it was and started to get nervous. I was scrutinizing her face the second it came on screen, which isn’t totally fair. For me, the tech just isn’t quite there yet. I’m glad others didn’t have this same hang-up and got to enjoy that reveal.

 

because you can tell a story in pictures alone. i'm not talking about visual effects or sweeping cinematography (though R1 has both), i'm talking about composition, framing, the relationship of the placement of characters in a given scene--things that tell us a lot about their dynamics without them needing to say anything. the way Tarkin turns his back on Krennic, the way Krennic is viewed from a camera angle above when he goes to Vader: it demonstrates that he's a small man, not worthy of consideration despite his pomp, etc. Edwards has made a film full of these visual cues. and they are nicely done.

visual storytelling doesn't necessarily have anything to do with CGI and IMAX.

 

Vader in Ep4: I've traced the rebel spies to her. Now she is my only link.

So is there a whole bunch of sleuthing that happens between the corvette escaping and it getting captured? Are these two scenes farther apart than they appear? It can’t have been that long or the plans would have gotten handed off before getting boarded. It just seems a bit incongruent to me with adding this new wrinkle to the canon.

 

Question: were all the nit-pickers here doing the same thing for TFA? Because boy howdy, are there a lot of nits to pick in that unscientific mess (and I really like that film!)

BTW I understand that this is the criticism thread, and I appreciate it. I have criticisms of RO as well. Just needed to ask that, considering the level of detail people are getting into.

 

Another thing that didn't make much sense to me, so threepio, artoo, and Leia were all on the Tantive IV during the battle. Why would they put Leia at risk right there; keep her farther away from the battle. Didn't make much sense to me why the Tantive IV was IN admiral Raddus's ship.

 

Exactly. There is NOTHING disjointed about it at all. The team is coming together. Just because you have a couple of different people coming in to the narrative does not make it disjointed.

 

Yes, you can tell a story in pictures alone, noone has ever denied that. Yet that still has nothing to do with the quality of the script. The director is not (nesessarily) the writer. He tries to do the best visual storytelling, while the writer tries to do the best sorywriting. Batman V Supeman is a very well made visual movie, yet the script was beyond terrible. Obviously the script usually limits the visuals on a certain level, but the director can very easely recondition a bad/mediocre script with great visuals or screw up a good one with lackluster direction.

I dont see the contradiction. By tracing he either means that he identified Tantive IV as the ship which left the admiral's ship, or just an interessting choice of words to describe watching the rebels escaping with the plans on Tantive IV.

Now that implies the happening of some events between Vader's dramatic entry and the chase of the Tantive IV. I assume Vader was informed that the only ship that received transmission was Raddus's battleship after he went back to the Executor.

 

Also, if R2 and 3PO were on Yavin IV, then does that mean Leia was too? Shouldn't she have been in on that meeting then?

 

Maybe I’m just stuck in my mode of expectations, but I can’t help but feel it would have been way easier (continuity wise) to have the Mon Cal ship relay the transmission to the Tantive which is nearby but not actually at the scene. The choice to have it there seems like it was just a vehicle to have Vader flex his muscles for the fans. Maybe that’s too pessimistic though

I was thinking the same thing.

 

Your insight serves you well. Believe it or not, 7 days after the Tantive IV escapes from the battle of Scarif, Luke, Han and Chewie are rocking gold medals at the temple on Yavin.

 

Well, not poor Chewie

 

i agree with General_Tarkin. The continuity did not make much sense in the last scene. In ANH vader says "several transmissions were sent to your ship...", yet it appears he SAW the ship leave the dockiing port?!?. It really makes it hard to pinpoint the amount of time that lapsed from the end of RO to the beginning of ANH..

 

He stated he was going to Alderaan to alert his people that war was unavoidable.

Probably the same concept of diffusing information so that not all agents know everything like the first season of Rebels. Hera wasn't at the briefing either (Filoni just confirmed that she was the Gen. Syndulla mentioned - check Vanessa Marshall's twitter). Captain Ackbar was also not there, despite being part of the Alliance as per the Leia comic.

Or maybe Bail assigned her - in a time honored Amidala tradition - to clean up the droids.

 

I guess you could rationalize that the Tantive would be sending and receiving messages to Rebel HQ letting the brain trust back home know they had the plans in tow. So there would be “several transmissions”. You could also rationalize that the plans would be too large to send that long of a distance so they had to keep the ‘hard copy’.

It just doesn’t quite jive with me that that Leia is the linchpin in all this for Vader. He’d be tracking down the ship not the person ON the ship. I’m sure there’s lots we don’t see on screen though. Maybe, yet more, comics or novels will fill in the blanks.