Criticisms Of Rogue One

Yeah, I mean given the insane retconning that went on between the OT and the PT, and even within the OT itself, this is small potatoes! I still cannot rationalize how Leia possibly remembers her real mother...

 

Nothing was really ‘changed’ though. We simply got embellishments on events that were previously only referenced. Constructing a coda that seamlessly fit with a couple 40 year old lines of dialogue (some fans can probably recite from memory) isn’t, in my mind, too tall an order for professional screen writers.

The Force. The Force explains all . . . and also 'destiny' . . . probably. Now let us never speak of this again

 

Okay so "Rogue One". Let's talk about the negatives, and the issues of this movie first, what didn't really work? I feel like the three main issues of this film, were some of the characters, most of the fan service (most cameos), and the first act of the movie. A lot of these characters had the potential to be Interesting, watching it a second time the only two deaths/sacrifices I really cared about was the droid, and the two main protagonists. All these characters were fun to watch go on the mission, but weren't built up enough by the time they kicked the bucket, which is a similar reason I think the first act of the movie was weak compared to the other two acts of the film. The first act was jumpy and tried to introduce all these characters at such a fast and kind of uncomfortable pace, although I liked the first act slightly more upon second and third viewings, I feel like this movie should have been 30 minutes longer to get us more invested in these characters. These 30 minutes should have focused on character interaction, and minor backstory for other secondary leads. I feel like if I had to put these 30 minutes anywhere in the movie, I'd put 20 in the first act, and 10 in the end/beginning of the second/third act of the movie. The 30 minutes should have focused on the subtle romance of the two main characters/the emotional interaction they could've potentially had. The bond between the two guardians of Jedha, and find away to make the characters feel like a family/really tight group of homies. Okay so cameos, ugh. This is more of a personal gripe, but there was absolutely no reason to show C3PO R2d2, "Pig nose death sentence on 12 systems guy" and butt chin (the dudes at the Cantina), blue milk, and showing that rebel trooper on the Yavin tower three goddamn times. Why I'm saying this is because these moments took me out of the movie, I loved how this movie took risks. TFA cameos were different because of the tone and lightheartedness of the movie. You don't need to rely on throwbacks, and cameos to make your movie good, which like I said rogue one was so awesome when it was being different. Instead of the cameos, this time also could've been used for these new characters, maybe little extra lines that added more personality to them, every little bit helps man.

Okay, so the positives. My Opinion still stands "This movie was better than the Force Awakens". I've been bashing this movie, but what this movie gets right, is original trilogy level right. The villains, the action sequences, the cinematography, the lore, the world building, the scale, the effects, the cgi looking models of the ships, the costumes, most of the music (I will say apart from a few tracks this movie had some solid music), the story of "TRUST" and "HOPE", the warfare, the Rebellion, the Empire. If I had to choose the best shot of the film, the scene where Director Krennic is on the tower of Scariff and he looks up, sees his own damn creation, fired by Tarkin, that gave me goosebumps. That's another thing, the Death star had so many awesome moments and shots. The rebel fleet gets a signal there was a massive object heading out of Hyper Space, and you see the shot of the Death Star in the horizon with the quiet and peaceful music cue, oh man too good. This movie explored the humanity in the Empire and the grittiness, betrayal, and risk taking in the Rebellion, it's not always just "Black and White”, you can still tell who the "good guys are" but you can also understand why people are in the Empire and think it’s for good reasons. The last 30-45 minutes of the film. The ground warfare, something we finally get to see between the Rebels and the Empire, best space battle (had strategy, capital ships, old cameos of red and gold leader from "A New Hope" which those cameos made sense in the story) hell, best action sequences in any Star Wars movie, oh and that hall scene, took my breath away, shear epicness man. This film was new, and fresh. It took risks, and hell caught me off guard a few times. It makes me want to watch "A New Hope" right now, as "Rogue One" ties in so perfectly with it.

I'm honestly worried though about episode 8 because it has so many expectations, it has to be different the empire, they can't keep holding on to the old stuff, they took risks and tried different stuff, but really need to give use new material. welp till next year.

 

It's strange. A lot of people had a problem with the film's first half. I had problems with the film's last half hour.

 

wow really RoyleRancor?

A 'clouded' rating because i state concrete facts you don't like or agree with?

i can understand not agreeing with an opinion but when you argue against quantifiable facts you come off as delusional.

 

I don't know, man. Sounds like something a 'clouded' person might say. I wouldn't have thought so myself, but there's that rating so . . .

 

Briefly, I got hockey temper when the transmissions weren't beamed onto the Tantive IV. They were carried on. (throws chair) An energy shield around the entire planet was another. Well, I didn't' throw a chair but my eyes rolled out of my head.

I mean, maybe they could have at LEAST had the shields drop and then Kirk could have ordered Scotty to beam the plans aboard.... that would have at least fit A New Hope....

May the script be with you.... always.

 

I'm definitely no screenwriter, but it seems to me a simple plot restructure could've eliminated any inconsistencies:

ACT II - This is when the Death Star plans are stolen, under the cover of the Battle of Scarif.

ACT III - Vader assumes the role of primary antagonist. He's summoned to hunt down Jyn and Cassian, who managed to escape with the data tapes and are desperately making their way to Alderaan. When their capture becomes inevitable, they send the plans via several transmissions to the only rebel ship in the vicinity.

 

This. So much this. EXACTLY. It's not nitpicking.

A new hope: Vader's FIRST line. "Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies."

HOW IN HELL DID THEY SCREW THIS UP!??!?!?!?! IT'S HUGE.

Episode VII VII and IX have much wider channels to navigate but will still face scrutiny.

 

This was more or less my perspective. Have the movie end effectively the same way but have the plans retransmitted to the Tantive at the last minute instead of literally handing them off. There, no discrepancy.

 

But if they had the plans for that long, why wouldn't Jyn have "told the whole galaxy" like she threatened? Or, even if worried that the Empire would find out about the weakness and patch it, why not at least beam it to multiple ships, so as to not just put the heat on Tantive IV, and make success more likely?

I think, considering the absurdity of only beaming the plans to one ship (seriously, at least CC Ackbar in the message!) the writers did a pretty good job of setting up ANH logically. I mean, if you root around, of course you'll find plot holes. Every film has them.

 

Clouded because you went to full blown nitpick mode. No Lightsaber, except for a minute at the end if that...better?
You really didn't post facts, you just nitpicked. I don't think anyone would actually argue that Lightsabers are "in" Rogue One.

Your post was "Vader used a lightsaber" and "4 minutes not 10"

Wow. Such facts. Let me get on my knees in awe.

That said, if you want to keep this conversation going about why a complete nitpick post by you that really didn't alter a damn thing to my post so I saw it fit to say it was clouded, message me and don't take this thread off topic.

 

Because the Tantive would be the only Rebel friendly ship nearby, not engaged in the battle due to its mission to retrieve Obi-Wan.

 

Nonstandard Imperial data tapes. Part of their desperation could be searching for equipment that could actually transmit the data. That could be the reason they didn't send transmissions to everyone in the first place.

 

Personally, I find that just as big, if not bigger, of a stretch (why not beam to one of the ships engaged in battle as well?) and wouldn't make for as interesting of a film. But whatever, we can agree to disagree.

Yeah, perhaps. I mean, it's fun to form hypotheticals, I totally get that, and I enjoy talking about this stuff with you guys. I guess I just personally don't like any of these ideas so far more than the film.

 

Because who's to say any of the ships there are making it out in one piece. Best to get it to somebody that has a head start at least. Anyway, would haves, could haves are pointless. What happened is what happened and it's canon now.

 

1. Agree somewhat.

2. Totally disagree.

3. Totally agree. I would of liked 2 c Jyn running.

4. Mildly agree.

5. Agree. Where was Biggs? Porkins? Wedge?

6. 1,000% Agree. The music was horrible.

7. Mildly agree. At least the "new" rebel ships where destroyed.

8. Mildly agree. Vader damaged? Tired?

9. Mildly Agree. Read Catalyst.

10. Agree, Tarkin. He looked 2 young.

I also wished we had the crawl.

 

Biggs was on Tatooine saying farewell to Luke, a Porkins look alike is seen in behind-the-scenes footage and Wedge's voice is supposedly being heard during the Battle of Scarif.

Still can't believe they had unused, original, 'new' footage of Red and Gold Leader in the Lucasfilm archives. They definitely made great use of it putting it into the film, that was a great and beautiful surprise.

 

True. Or he might have suffered a hit that forced him to withdraw from the battle before the Death Star arrived.