Criticisms Of Rogue One

Yeah I thought of that immediately lol. Bail is one harsh father lol. But she was active for a few years according to Rebels so I can let that pass.

 

i said the movie is full of good visual storytelling and that the script has weaknesses. i said that precisely because the two can be analyzed independently, but both are part of the whole overall storytelling experience. also, i think you still misunderstand what i mean by visual storytelling because BvS would not be an example of what i am talking about (though you are right that its achievement in visuals outstrips its farce of a script). maybe i just don't understand the point you're trying to make about R1. that's okay, i'm equally fine with moving on ~ hahaha

 

Just worth noting, BvS was also a mess because of editing, not just the script.

But we'd be getting off-topic if we went on further, I believe.

 

it's relevant in that it's a good example of a known popular property with an enormous built-in fan base that should have been a guaranteed critical and financial success. but it made a lot of fatal errors that R1, i think, managed to avoid. while R1 maybe still has its problems, it's not a colossal mess due to the kinds of assumptions that i think Snyder (and others) made with that franchise.

 

She was still operating with a ‘cover’ at this point though. In Rebels, she was using that cover for the Rebellion’s benefit. Here, there doesn’t seem like much purpose for her presence. Unless they were somehow anticipating this exact outcome. Meh, it is what it is.

 

To me, this topic reads more like a list of things that were done differently from other SW movies' traditions rather than criticisms.

 

Alderaan. I think he left right after the meeting outside the hanger with Mon. As far as Leia not being there, while C3PO and R2 were...When Bail is leaving he mentions having someone in mind to meet up with Obi Won (obviously he was referring to Leia). My guess is either she was one her way to Yavin 4 to get secure transit to Tatooine or was about to.

I think he probably sent a holographic message to Leia that went something like this:

"Hey Leia, its dad...i'm leaving the droids at Yavin, and I need for you to get here as soon as possible. I am coming back to Alderaan now. Don't wait for me. Come and get the droids. I will leave further instructions in R2 as they are not safe to transmit. I have a mission that I only trust you to complete."

 

yeah, i guess so. There is jusst so much that seems to be 'wonky'. I guess my main gripe is that if they were going to show that particular scene leading up to a ANH, then show everything. It really is annoying that the continuity does not compeletly fit with what happened at beginning of ANH...oh well. I still greatly enjoyed the movie.

 

Actually I think I might have spotted a mistake in Rogue One... we see the droids on Yavin 4... but hadn't admiral Radish's ship taken off already? Technically they should have been aboard that ship, unless if Princess Leia took off seperately and docked with Admiral Radish's ship during battle?

I agree about the music, though I do like the music for Jedda.

I wasn't a big fan of CGI Tarkin but agree with Collider in that it was necessary to show him, though some people didn't realize he was CGI.

 

I think I'm in agreement with you about the opening logo, too. I didn't need a crawl, but those big yellow letters and bombastic opening music are such a mood setter. The title card for R1 seemed like an afterthought, or like it was done just because they had to.

Still fine with it though.

Kinda weird to be living in a world where there are new SW movies and I have almost nothing to whine and complain about.

Maybe if I gripe about Saw Gerrera's eye color inconsistency enough it will feel like old times..?

 

I do agree in principle. The last couple scenes could have been presented a bit differently to better fit with the Ep4 opener. There are some in-world explanations that could shore these frayed edges up if you work it enough though. It’s part of the fun of Star Wars: rationalizing Star Wars.

To be fair, the movie needed to end on a crescendo of dramatic and emotional weight. Too many details at that point would gum things up. I definitely identify with your sentiment though. The bits don’t quite add up to a whole, but that’s movies for’ya. They can't show us everything.

 

Yea, that was my problem. You didnt say that. You said "i think R1 is visually well-done even despite weaknesses in the script.", like the two are interconnected... But yeah, forget it, it was just me nitpicking your comment. On the other hand, what kind of script weaknesses do you think there are?
I thought it was a pretty well written script, given the type of movie (blockbuster war film). Maybe there are some continuity problems with ep IV, but nothing jarring (like 1000 years vs 1000 generations or Leia knowing her mom at young age vs dying at chlidbirth in OT vs PT).

 

Yes. Nit-picking the hell out of something you love is the nerd's favorite pastime. If we don't love the franchise why would we spend so much time on all the little details?

 

I think the reason we "nit-picking" this more than TFA is because this film directly ties into ANH. So much so that the filmmakers are walking a dangerous line of how we view the original Star Wars. I enjoyed RO but its characters didn't have the level of depth I wanted them to have and it had too many call-backs, I think maybe more than TFA. For me it touched my favorite Star Wars film too much. It did have some great parts, and I'm thrilled Lucasfilm took chances with it. It's a good experiment!

 

Vader used a lightsaber.

He was in R1 for 4 minutes. He was in Star Wars (1977) for 12.

 

I don't regard "Batman v. Superman" as a colossal mess. Frankly, I have a higher opinion of it than I do "Rogue One" or "Captain America 3" for that matter. I'm not saying that it's perfect. I have one major complaint about it. But I cannot say the same about "Rogue One", which I also enjoyed . . . if somewhat less. That latter had a bit more problems for me.

 

This! Enough with those blurry backgrounds. Were is the point in having all these beautiful locations like Scarif and then blur everything to death?

Again the darn camera, I think TFA did a far better job with capturing the spirit and excitement of the OT's space battles (ANH's trench run for example). In R1 the camera was constantly switching between close ups of the pilot's faces (seriously, do we really need to see each and every pilot's face?) and wide shots of the battle as a whole. Never was the camera following one fighter for more than three seconds, and close ups from the cockpits were missing completely- yes, not counting the short glimpses at the targeting computer.

 

Slight inconsistencies in words are due to the fact that Lucas originally had one film, Star Wars. That was it. Retroactively changing things makes it almost inevitable that there will be awkward word choices/phrases.