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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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    Rather then being scary it just looks like he has Space Herpes.
     
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    Off topic a bit but, I remember it being debated rather or not this is George's story. Here's what Star Wars Wikipedia says. It appears that JJ and Larry are adapting George's story.

    Despite initially claiming that the Star Wars story ended in Star Wars: Episode VI Return of the Jedi, and spending years refuting speculation that there would be another film, George Lucas began work on the story of Episode VII in 2011 in order to increase the value of Lucasfilm Ltd. before he sold it to The Walt Disney Company.

    There's also this quote from Bob Iger. He doesn't sound like a guy that wants to break George's truth.

    "I keep telling J.J. Abrams this is a $4 billion movie. We need to treat this very special. It’s an unbelievable privilege and unbelievable responsibility to take a jewel and treat it in a way that is respectful of its past but brings it into the future."

    This makes me also think there will be references to the past. They'll bridge the gap, while expanding and setting up future stories to tell. Like the Prequel Trilogy and Original Trilogy before it.

    Very interesting because, I remember reading that Plagueis was created by George Lucas some time before Episode III. Here's the quote.

    The character was created by George Lucas as early as the first draft of Revenge of the Sith dated April 2003 and possibly earlier than that.

    Makes me also remember Gary Kurtz said once that he left Star Wars because, he had disagreements with George on the direction he was taking Star Wars. Especially with another Death Star and the Emperor appearing in Episode VI.

    Makes me wonder. Could George have had ideas for Plagueis then?

    Maybe he had a bigger picture idea in his head and that is why he decided to have the Emperor and another Death Star appear in Episode VI.

    Maybe the fight between Luke and the Emperor was changed to Luke and Plagueis.

    Maybe the Death Star was the way for the Emperor to strike at Plagueis if he tried to come after him and plays a part in why he has overconfidence.

    I also remember watching The Making of The Phantom Menace story feature on the DVD. George had a big question mark next to Anakin's father. I don't think he'd leave that closed, if he eventually had a story to tell with it. The Skywalker bloodline goes generations. Plagueis influening mid-chorlians and having the Force striking back to create the 'chosen one', would be interesting to see and learn about how.

    As Ben Burtt said things are in layers and story elements are introduced. The quote:

    " I think one of the reasons these films are a lot of fun to watch over and over again is because a lot of material was there in layers and you stop and watch the film you'll see preferences to a lot of other story elements." - Ben Burtt


    There's also an interesting quote from James Luceno about Darth Plagueis, when he was writing the story.

    “George was involved in the early stages. When the book was first proposed, I wrote to him and asked whether there was any reason why Plagueis couldn’t be a non-human, and he wrote back that Plagueis could be a Muun and sent me some artist renderings of the character.

    What if the artist renderings were Ralph's? ...

    It should be noted also on the Canon Darth Plagueis page it says that he died sometime before the Clone Wars. What if he indeed is dead? But, he awakens.

    Him dying before the Clone Wars gives him the chance to give the Banking Clan secret funds and maybe have a new pupil to train and build up an army while he is dead ... He lets others do his dirty work. While he weeps the benefits.

    Hey look! I said he's dead. Gold star for me. Haha :)
     
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    That doesn't look a Muun to me...
     
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    Maybe Lucas was thinking back to that McQuarrie concept piece? Since that early concept looks most like a Munn maybe that's why he chose that race for Plagueis when talking to James Luceno about his book in 2011?

    Some other interesting designs (probably old news) but its the first time I've seen these again in almost 30 years.. and it looks like Disney is going back to the well and using whatever is left in the stable. What's old is new again I guess ;)

    This is on Tatoonie in Episode 7
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    Lothal from Rebels anyone?
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    This looks like some of the episode 7 concepts floating around. Don't know if they adapted it to hermit Luke or Kylo Ren or the 'ancient evil' or what, but there is new concept art showing Kylo Ren, the Chrome Trooper and Rey in an area much like this
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    Interesting... but Plagueis is dead
     
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    Those are cool pics indeed. In fact, that art with Vader does resemble the “leaked art” we have seen. I think that’s pretty cool. I never related the two.
    If I entertain the idea of Plagueis existing again, and all the speculation in the last few posts, along with some speculation for the future… what could the weapon in Ep VII really be…lets take a look:
    It’s a planet, they say…or does the planet CONTAIN the weapon…
    If Plagueis is there…in spirit. That could be a major weapon in a sense. “Look, Luke, you have to go to this planet and keep watch. For as long as it takes. He cannot awaken and rebuild the Sith” That’s a huge weapon to me, a Sith Lord awakening.
    What if Sidious was telling himself he killed Plagueis, just kind of to make himself believe it, like “Yes, of course I killed Plagueis, I had to of…he was sleeping…and im powerful…right? Guys? RIGHT?”
    Well…if there is a planet where he “rests” or “is buried” and there is a chance he could awaken…what do you do to fix that? YOU BUILD A PLANET DESTROYING WEAPON! (see: Death Star I and II)
    There just isn’t much “canon” to work with as far as Plagueis goes. So if he “came back” from the dead or was “awakened”. There could be merit to that, but as far as we literally KNOW…he isn’t alive. He is dead.
    If the midichlorians in Shmi Skywalker were the force “striking back” to create balance…what happens when there is no dark side…does the Light throw the force back out of balance and it has to “strike back” with an “awakening” to refuel the dark side so that there is an endless battle. The only real balance coming when the dark and light are even and alive physically?
    If Plaguies wakes up and is powerful…same as Luke…it could actually bring balance…if you take Force balance in that literal of a way.
    I wouldn’t be against him being the main villain, but they need to do some REAL work on explaining the dead returning to life.
    *drops Mic*
     
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    This is a pretty interesting point and may very well come into play. I'm actually interested to so see just how much they make reference to Midichlorians in the ST considering it was something only touched on in the PT. We might actually hear Luke say the word Sith also.
     
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    I think they really need to build another Death Star... it's worked so well, right? I mean the same Jedi can't blow it up three times, right?
     
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    Luke only blew it up once.
     
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    ....But the Death Star is dead.
     
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    I agree... dead, and should not be brought back...
     
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    I don't think the word "Midi-Chlorian" will be spoken in the Sequel Trilogy; if Plagueis's magic life-powers were to be mentioned, they would be described as him "using the Force" rather than "manipulating Midi-Chlorians" in order avoid confusing casual viewers. Sith, however, will probably be brought up quite a bit, because actually calling a group of characters "dark side users" over and over would be repetitive and pointless when a simpler term exists.
     
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    I would be perfectly fine with this.
     
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    From what we've seen, it seems like at least half of this movie is based off of Ralph McQuarrie.
     
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    Yeah, that would be. Star Wars was always borrowing elements to create a mythological setting. With Plagueis coming out of the shadow after his apprentice being the huge main villain before, that would mimick lot of classical works or Japanese shonen genre, where you always build up by showing the next villain character being a lot stronger than the one before, or introducing them gradually, by ranks, first comes the liuetenant/apprentice, then the general/master.

    Also concept of reppetition is pretty old in mythological standpoint, even in Greek mythology, which was again utilized in Japanese series based on the greek mythology, where the Gods are fighting each other repeatedly since the Age of Myth. And this concept was even included in the Clone Wars Mortis Trilogy.

    So I expect something classic and huge load of mythology - not to forget, Long time ago in a galaxy far far away.... Star Wars actually is a myth already.
    Tough I will die long time before the whole myth will unfold in it entirety (stormtrooper)
     
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    They could always come up with some crazy clearly amazingly fictional way of how plagueis can be brought back. Whether by some technique he used to preserve himself within the darkside or some other reason but it just comes down to what they thought would work with the story. We know almost nothing about what the story even is. I tend to nowadays think we will not see plagueis. The more I think about it the more bringing back a character that is dead even if just presumed dead opens up a can of worms I think they will not want to open. It may bring too many other characters deaths into question and seem a little hoakey. Leaving us ultimately with....

    CORELLIAN.jpg
     
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    http://www.starwars.com/databank/darth-sidious-biography-gallery

    It's interesting that the StarWars.com Database mentions how the story of how Sidious became Plagueis pupil is only known by a selected few.

    Just a thought but, what if an Imperial officer knew. Respected like Tarkin and is still alive and is controlling the remaining Empire. This could also spark a theory of that someone would be in possession of Luke's old lightsaber. They were given it by Darth Vader after Cloud City. It's in their hands and maybe was given to the rumored new bred of Stormtrooper. Which finds it's way back to Luke through Finn? Possible.
     
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    It would be interesting to know that Tarkin knew Plagueis was Sheev's master. hehe Sheev, no wonder Plagueis changed his name to Sidious.
     
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    Here is something for you all to think about on a philosophical level as to why I believe they will not use Plagueis as the main villain. we are led to believe in episode 1 that Shmi Skywalker gave birth to Anakin as a virgin very much like the Virgin Mary. So then who are we to believe is the father? Obviously the Force which could be likened to God. if they were to use Plagueis in the film and make it as if he created Anakin (which palpatine implies in rots, although i think it was a lie to manipulate anakin) then the films would lose much of their mysticism and at the same time it would cheapen the Skywalker family bloodline. If they do talk anymore about Anakin's origin in the movie, I think they will only reinforce the fact that he was created by the force.
     
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