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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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  1. BB-Rey

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    A while back on this site there was an interesting piece on Darth Plagueis and the possibility of him being the main villain of Episode VII. I decided to do some addition research because, I was drawn by the story.

    I will mostly share exerts that come from Wookieepedia the official Wikipedia of all things Star Wars.

    One plot point of the sequel trilogy that has been incorrectly reported for years derives from a 1980 interview with George Lucas in Bantha Tracks. Lucas was asked what the third Star Wars trilogy was about and he said that "It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his adventures." This quote has led to speculation that a character from the prequel trilogy would be frozen at the end of Episode III, hibernate through the Galactic Civil War & be revived for Episode VII.

    Yes it states that it has been incorrectly reported on but, could that be because, it's actually true? Who is a character that survives the Prequels and could still be alive? Can you think of no one?

    That leads me to two quotes from Episode III and Episode VI.

    Palpatine to Anakin when he's converting him in his office.

    " To cheat death is the power only ONE has achieved but, if we work together I know we can discover the secret."

    Yoda and Luke conversation before he passes on.

    " But, Master Yoda you can't die."

    " Strong am I in the force but, not that strong."


    Also it may not be considered canon anymore but, it's important to note that Ian McDiarmid received a copy of the Darth Plagueis novel at Star Wars Celebration last year and had this to say.

    “But I did see the most recent book [Darth Plagueis by James Luceno] that was written about him and his background, I was given a copy in fact when I was at the last celebration, so I read that and that’s fascinating. And it’s interesting to think that this character, who I thought had no backstory at all, I thought he was just born in evil and died in evil apparently could have.”

    That leads me to one very important exert from the novel of how Palpatine "Killed" him.

    As Plagueis expired, his apprentice experienced a monumental disturbance in the Force, which he interpreted as a shift that anointed him the sole agent of the dark side. But he also experienced a sensation of sadness and loss in the Force. Sidious initially feared that the cause of this unease was a sign that his master's experiments had succeeded after all, that Plagueis' spirit had somehow survived earthly destruction, and would return at any moment to exact vengeance on his treacherous apprentice. However, after learning of Darth Maul's apparent death at the hands of Obi Wan-Kenobi on Naboo, Sidious dismissed his concerns, deciding that this was the true cause of the feeling of loss he experienced.

    Why is this important? Because, it should be noted that Darth Maul lived and that Star Wars The Clones Wars series is considered official canon now.

    There's additional information but, I will leave that for the discussion.
     
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    I should mention as well that in the book, The Making of Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith it states in the first drafts of the script George envisioned Palpatine as the person that conceived Anakin through his control of the Force, which would make him Anakin's father.

    It should be pointed out this is implied in the Darth Plagueis novel and as mentioned in the first story of speculation of this subject, George was hands on with it.

    Could this all come full circle and this is how the Sequels connect to the Prequels and they connect to the Originals?
     
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    I don't know that I have much to add to the discussion, except to say I loved the novel Darth Plagueis and I think the character appearing as the big bad guy would be a great way to tie the saga together. Many elements already tie the three trilogies together, but this would/could be another one (if utilized). Not only would it be cool to see another non-human Sith (were they to appear in the ST), but I think Plagueis could be just as, if not more bad*** than Darth Sidious was. Odds are TPTB will move away from the RoT Sith, but I can still dream they'll appear again until that idea is dispelled by the actual ST films.
     
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    Couldn't agree more. The idea of Plagueis as the main villain for Episode VII connects each saga together. I think George had every intention for the sequels to be made and some of the information used in the prequels was to be used later.

    Bestselling Star Wars veteran James Luceno gives Grand Moff Tarkin the Star Wars: Darth Plagueis treatment, bringing a legendary character from A New Hope to full, fascinating life.

    Interesting this is the description for the Tarkin novel on Amazon.
     
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    Yeah, I totally agree with you. I find it particular interesting that they would allow any reference to Darth Plagueis IF he were just some Sith tale that no longer held relevance to the saga. IMO -- you are correct -- that Plagueis is the center of the conflict.

    Here's the leaked "concept art" with the hand. Although I don't think the face resembles a Muun.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Hmm, that is an interesting picture. Maybe he had the choice of a new body and new being when his experiments worked?

    Like it says in the book.

    Sidious initially feared that the cause of this unease was a sign that his master's experiments had succeeded after all, that Plagueis' spirit had somehow survived earthly destruction.

    Interesting I just saved the picture on my phone is it is listed as "Inquisitors" .. maybe that is what it is and they now in the Sequels follow a similar look of Plagueis.

    I just found a picture of the Inquisitor from Rebels. The pictures have the same exact chin!
     
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    Chewbacca confirmed to be the central character in the Sequel Trilogy. You heard it here first, folks.
     
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    I might be a bit fuzzy on this, but didn't Palpatine kill Plagueis, or was that never really fleshed out?
     
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    Pomojema ... Rrrrr ar ghh err

    Djas Puhr .. Palpatine implies he does kill Plagueis at the oprea house in Episode III but, some of that I think mostly was lies to feed to Anakin to convert him.
     
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    I loved this sites Plagueis article. Had me convinced.

    You are bringing up great points and I'm rooting for Darth Plagueis to be the main villain in the ST. I think if it is him then it really connects all the trilogies together nicely.

    That being said...it probably won't happen.

    I do think an ancient Sith Lord will be pulling some massive strings in the ST, but I don't think it's going to be Plagueis.
    Seems to me they would want to create a whole new character.

    Either way...I think the Sith Lord pulling strings will be the one who "cheated death"? Would love it to be Plagueis.
     
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    Very good points. You never know though because, we never see Darth Plagueis. He's only mentioned that one time in the opera house. There has to be a reason for that. Other then using it to covert Anakin.

    I hope it is Plagueis. Connecting each trilogy together I think seems to be the way to go. It brings every Star War together and not divided if done right. I think it will be. Lawrence Kasdan knows what fans want. I was a lot more fearful with Michael Arndt penned to script after Toy Story 3.

    I believe I saw somewhere. May have been on here that someone wanted to use Plagueis at Moraban when Yoda visits in The Clone Wars but, George wouldn't allow it. Could this be because, he's alive? Hmmm
     
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    Interesting I am reading about the Inquisitor for Rebels on Star Wars Wiki and it says that he was trained in the ways of the dark side but, doesn't give out by who. Could that be Plagueis?

    Because, we know from Episode I that the jedi are only aware of the rule of 2. It's going to be interesting if Yoda and when Obi-Wan appear on the show.
     
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    Not a big fan of Darth Plagueis, be it the character or the terribly written novel (although it's not the worst novel I've read) - I mean, if they are going to (re)introduce the biggest baddie ever as a Muun...they do not look very scary, nor are they very inspired as an alien species design.. And I'm pretty convinced that Lucas meant "character that survived Return of the Jedi" anyway.

    But should we get an "ancient fear" who somehow slept through the previous two trilogies, I hope they have a solid and believable back story that explains his/her absence. I'd actually rather go with Palpatine showing up again.
     
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    He may have killed him but maybe he did become more powerfull then palpatine could have possibly imagined.
     
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    I actually enjoyed the Darth Plagueis novel for what it was. My initial reaction was the same as yours... a friggin' Muun?! But aside from the fact that they are one of the more embarrassingly bad alien designs in the PT (okay, okay, I get it... the head of the Banking Clan looks like a gaunt, never-seen-the-sun chartered accountant from an old Dickens novel) I actually thought that the idea of placing Palpatine's Sith master deep within the galaxy's financial machine made sense, given what Palpatine ended up accomplishing. I thought they ended up trying to tie everything too neatly to the events of Episode 1, but other than that I thought it was a decent bit of light reading. (Bear in mind, I expect very little from EU novels, which is why I rarely read them anymore.)

    That said, I don't expect to see Plagueis resurrected for the ST. There may be some connection between the new dark side threat and Plagueis' knowledge of how to create life and cheat death, but are we really to believe that a Sith master would sit by and watch while his apprentice takes control of the entire galaxy? The Sith are anything but a humble lot, after all.

    Plus, let's be honest... Muuns look too much like Voldemort in a funhouse mirror for JJ and company to use one as the main villain in the ST. Especially if it's a Sith Master who is long assumed to be dead, but who has clawed his way back into existence. WAY too much similarity there.
     
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    I bet Darth Plagueis will not be in the Sequel Trilogy.

    I don't think they would resurrect a dead character, I don't think the main villain will be from a throwaway line from the Prequels, I don't think the main villain will be a Sith (but maybe some kind of dark-side user), I think the main villain will be an original character made for the movie, and I don't think JJ Abrams would use the "mythology" of the Prequel trilogies, like at all. I have seen a lot of the interviews, and I trust him to make a good Star Wars film. Mostly. If Plagueis does appear, I think he will be human.

    I also believe its unlikely that the main villain (supposed to be secret right?) of an unreleased film will appear as a primary character in a book announced (and released?) prior to the film.

    [EDIT] Echo-07, wasn't that concept art fake?
     
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    Well, yes, I thought that neat / believable idea as well, I just didn't like the novel because it is badly written :) Also, Baby Darth Maul. Come on. That was the lamest thing.
     
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    I can understand the arguments against it. Here's some possible reasons he didn't reveal himself until now.

    1. The Jedi only know of the Rule of Two.
    2. He was off building a new Sith army to destroy all hope in the New Republic when the time was right. Similar to the Old Republic game.
    3. The Inquisitor in Rebels will be important to keep an eye on. Inquisitors supposedly hunted down Jedi. It says in the Inquisitor bio they were trained to use the dark side. It doesn't say who. I couldn't think of it being Vader or Sidious because, of the supposed still Rule of Two.
    4. This is George's story. J.J. is just directing it because, George retired. You can bet there will be some prequel references. Just like there will be original trilogy references.
     
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    I'm open to the idea of the main villain being Plagueis. I don't understand why he wouldn't be a Munn though, as others are saying. It was George Lucas himself who told the writer of the Plagueis novel to make him a Munn, so I doubt they would change that. They could put some robotic parts on him to make him look more "scary" in the vein of Vader. I believe he wears a similar breathing mask to Vader towards the end of the book, so it could work.
     
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    Agreed and that's interesting you say that because, remember there were rumors for a while that Adam Driver was playing a Darth Vader like villain. It's particularly interesting we haven't heard anything about Max Von Sydow on set.
     
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