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Darth Plagueis In The Sequel Trilogy.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by BB-Rey, Sep 15, 2014.

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Would you like it if Darth Plagueis was the villain of the Sequel Trilogy?

  1. Yeah! He is a very interesting character!

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  2. No thanks, Plagueis is dead.

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  3. Nope! He never actually existed.

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  4. Yes, but he is in the movie as a corpse.

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  5. He will be mentioned in another "throwaway line" only.

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  6. He is Snoke in disguise.

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  7. Yes, his death was a ruse.

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  8. I don't care either way, brah.

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  9. Of course, who else would you choose?

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  1. Voxx

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    MOD (tomvoxx) EDIT: Merged this with your other thread about Darth Plagueis.
     
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    Additional information. Here's something interesting mentioned in the Darth Plagueis novel.

    Plagueis originally had the ability to see into the future but this ability was permanently crippled after his dead Master used transfer essence to enter his body and foresaw his death at the hands of his own apprentice. However, that power seemed to reappear a day after Tenebrous' murder, as demonstrated when he had received a vision of the Battle of Bal'demnic. Later, days before his own death, he glimpsed events surrounding Darth Maul and Anakin Skywalker, respectively.

    This gives the possibility that he could have seen that Sidious attempted to kill him.

    I also read that the novel states that Plagueis and Sidious never saw Darth Maul as a breaking of the Rule of Two. They used him, more or less.

    Also mention of some kind of book called Book of Sith that Luke found.

    Here's also an interesting quote.

    "In some respects, Plagueis is a different breed of Sith, he's passionate and arrogant, but loyal to the Sith imperative to topple the Republic and eradicate the Jedi Order. But he is not infallible, and his sense of commitment could be interpreted as a fatal flaw." - James Luceno

    Because of this ..

    "The third [trilogy will] deal with moral and philosophical problems,” Lucas said in 1983. “In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren’t that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference.”
     
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    Great points. Nice detective work.
     
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    Thanks, apperciate it.

    Here's one more thing.

    James Lucuno was scheduled to write a novel about Plagueis. The book's announcement on StarWars.com was the first source to identify Plagueis as a Muun. However, in March 2007 it was announced that the novel had been removed from the publishing schedule. Sue Rostini's official explanation for the cancellation was that "this was not the right time to delve into Palpatine's back story and Plagueis's beginnings."


    Makes me wonder, was the right time while George was writing the Sequel Trilogy? And before the Disney sale? :)
     
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    If we take that this trilogy will be "the Ancient Fear", with the return of some big baddie... there has been the assumption that the "fear" that is returning will be Plagueis

    I would contend that it is the Sith themselves that are returning... not in the style of a specific Sith lord, but the Sith themselves.

    I would further content that the Sith were not real pleased with Palpatine... his rise to power revealed to the Jedi that the Sith were still around. True, he helped destroy the corrupt Jedi order, but he forged and unified a very strong force, one that was capable (obviously) of defeating the Emperor...

    I think people are looking to Plagueis as "the biggest baddest thing I can think of"

    I think a whole legion of Sith, fully trained in the ways of the dark side of the Force, standing at the gates is a little more threatening... and a concerted effort of the Sith to take advantage of the collapse of the Empire to bring back the next Sith Empire... that's what people are afraid of... if Lord Vitiate did survive the destruction to lead the Sith to rebuild their Empire in Unknown Regions, and if Vitiate was capable of living millennia, then Vitiate may still be around... but the Sith certainly are... and if in the wake of destruction, they decide to return to this region of space... with the full weight of the empire they have built elsewhere... that would be enough to unite the remnant forces with the Alliance...

    Let's see if our young heroes can take on a hundred Sith lords... they had enough problems with the two they were dealing with...
     
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    Hey guys I have a question for those of you who DOUBT that Plagueis is the main baddy in this movie who do you think will be? I am not saying I am certain it will be Plagueis but near as I can tell he is the only person who could feasibly be the MAIN baddy in the movie. I mean... let's say that Luke is in fact a dark side user. I highly doubt he has fallen so far that he is going to be the main baddy for the entire trilogy. I mean.... some one has to corrupt him, and hell, even Vader had Palp. There would still have to be someone pulling the strings. It really wouldn't make sense that Luke has had some grand machination for the past 30 years and only NOW is he going to act on it. Someone has to be manipulating him right? So again back to my original question. If it isn't Plagueis who could it be? (that would make sense canonically) It virtually has to be him right? Or a resurrected Sidious.
     
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    <clears throat... points to the post above yours>
     
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    Great stuff!

    I have a feeling it will be a legion of Sith and they'll be lead by Darth Plagueis.

    George Lucas Quote.

    "It deals with the character that survives Star Wars III and his adventures." This quote has led to speculation that a character from the prequel trilogy would be frozen at the end of Episode III, hibernate through the Galactic Civil War & be revived for Episode VII.

    The reason is, I think Plagueis could have been in hiding building a new sith army to use when the time was right. It is said he could see the future, so maybe just maybe he saw the fall of the Empire and during this time built a new Sith army to destroy the New Republic when the time was right.

    Yoda makes an interesting quote to Luke in Episode VI before he passes.

    "Master Yoda, you can't die."

    "Strong am I with the force but, not the strong".

    Just imagine for a moment the idea of Luke did pass on what he knew for a while. He met his wife and had a child of his own during this time. Then it all changed and his wife died. He decides to leave it all behind because, he grows depressed of losing ones he cares for. Similar to Anakin but, with better judgement. This leads to Episode VII and a search or something for Luke to lead the fight against the Sith who have just started to attack different reaches of the galaxy. It is discovered during this or soon after that Darth Plagueis is one behind all of this and Luke must go looking for him and faces him at some point in the series.

    It would be beyond chilling for Luke to learn Plagueis is his "Grandfather" because, Plagueis is the one to create Anakin. Or it would be one of our young heros finding this out and similar to Luke in the Original Trilogy they are conflicted.

    This leads to a Jedi/Sith War, something the galaxy hasn't seen for many, many years.

    Republic soldiers (Former Rebels) come in and fight the space battles and some of the land battles lead by Jedi. Similar to the Clone Wars.

    I don't really know a role for them but, maybe something like that.

    Maybe Plagueis is influenced by other Sith lords like Luke was in the Original Trilogy with Obi-Wan and Yoda but, not as force ghost. But, he's influenced in some way.
     
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    While I like the Plagueis idea, I have a theory it might be Darth Bane, creator of the rule of two and still cannon.
    I'll be posting it to the blog when I'm finished writing it.
     
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    Beat me to it.

    Even if the title is NOT The Ancient Fear we can surmise that that would be a great premise for the ST as it implies an epic scale villain fitting for the Star Wars saga. Now what the fear is exactly is the crux of the mystery.

    IMO I believe that the Jedi would have feared a Sith who learned the key to immortality, in some form similar to Jedi ghosts or immortality incarnate, AND would fear a return of Legion -- the destruction of the rule of two. In my article on Plagueis I stated how DP had destroyed the ROT. That clearly states that he was more than willing to resurrect an army of Sith Lords that he would command -- courageously -- unafraoid of death since he conquered it. What Sith Lord would stand against him since he was dead and returned???!!!

    Thus I can foresee that Plagueis leadinga Sith Legion, perhaps even the Sith race itself, would be an ancient fear of not only the Jedi Order but the galaxy at large.

    I'll be looking forward to reading this. I'm very interested in Sith lore and history . . . er, wait a minute, that makes me sound like Adam Driver. :p
     
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    I'm excited to write it! My first blog article speculation thing lol
     
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    Maybe this is irrelevant, but...

    Doesn't this idea of a big invincible baddie coming out of hibernation to take over the galaxy sound a bit too much like JJ's last Sci-fi blockbuster? Isn't he a bit more creative than that?
     
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    Not quite. Kahn was an enhanced human but hardly the same level as Plagueis. Also, it's not that DP is coming out of hibernation so to speak. Some people think it may come to that but it could be something different. We don't know that he was still alive the whole time, for instance, and watching the war unfold from afar whilst organizing his Legion. All just speculation, of course.

    Bottom line is that I agree with your assessment that JJ is more creative than "baddie coming out of hibernation."
     
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    Trying to think of ways Plagueis could reveal himself. I guess we may not know until a confrontation between him and a jedi. I could see beginning of Episode VII being Sith begin attacking different worlds. Which leads to someone going to look for Luke for help. Similar to Episode I where droids are the one to invade but, in a different tone. George mentions in audio commentary on the films that each film have similar paths. So I'm trying to think of ways it would be similar but, different. As he describes it, like poetry. Any ideas?

    tomvoxx, look forward to it.
     
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    I really doubt Lucas would let that happen so late in the arc though. Also they wouldn't look powerful compared to the Rule of Two type Sith as you'd not get enough screen time with enough of them to make them seem like a serious threat. I think we will see some dark side force users like the inquisitors but they won't be real "Sith". I just can't see that working with the narrative.
     
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    I can... a lot easier than a resurrected clone Palpatine or someone frozen since Ep III

    The forest scene seems to have been stormtroopers fighting against some really big, and really little, enemies... I doubt those were Alliance forces... as I have said before, I think there will be an outside force that threatens them both, and causes them to unite, which may not sit well with some of our heroes...
     
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    Can you believe we are sitting on a thread in a STAR WARS EPISODE 7 FORUM arguing about EPISODE 7?! Sorry sometimes it hits me out of the blue and I get super excited. So as you said that is possible but I really think that some grand master has to be behind everything and connect all three series together. Otherwise everything will just feel like a stand alone trilogy with little over connecting tissue.
     
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    Would you like to know the level of sound in the house when I found out Disney bought Star Wars? It was just a hair under when I found out JJ was directing... days after I had said he would be the only person who could...
     
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    HONESTLY, despite my HUGE love of LOST, I was unsure if JJ was the right man for the job. Admittedly, though, other than LOST I never paid so much attention to his career. Since the announcement I did some research and studying of his films and career and after seeing how he's been working I laugh to think I had any doubt whatsoever.
     
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    When Paramount decided to remake Star Trek, we got The Motionless Picture. When JJ did it? We got a movie worth watching

    I have full confidence he will do the same here
     
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