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SPECULATION Did Disney Tell Hamill to Grow a Beard to Distract Us from His Real Character?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Duck Duck Goose, Oct 2, 2014.

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    I think I would have perfered not seeing anakin's fall to the darkside to what I saw in Ep. 3. Falling to the darkside is apparently not something that should happen in one day.:rolleyes: I'm getting ready for anything. The book is wide open on these sequels, which is awesome. there are no hints or ques that that the film makers must be beholden to (which was not the case with the PT). Luke could be anything: good, bad, in between and they don't even have to tell us why! I've been pessimistic, but I'm getting more pumped every day for this new movie! I don't care if luke is good or bad, I'll still love him anyway, just like I love Vader, even though he was irritating as a youngster.
     
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    This reminds me a lot of what happened when audiences first learned about Darth Vader's true relationship to Luke. We were all stunned and it came out of nowhere. There was arguing back and forth on whether or not it was true (pre-Internet days of course) and I was in total disbelief until ROTJ came out. It turned into a brilliant move, and forever embedded Star Wars in cinematic history. If the audience would have been privy to that rumor before ESB premiered, you would get a similar response of "No way is that happening! I am going to walk out the theater if Darth Vader is Luke's father!". Many people were upset and stunned after it happened.

    It's all about the execution. As long as this (or any other rumor for that matter), is portrayed cleverly on screen, then a new generation of audiences can experience that same type of mystery and suspense that ESB first delivered.

    And honestly, I think that this could be a major reason why Hamill wanted to do this movie for so long. There are so many interviews circulating the Web (and are also on this site) where he says that these are the movies he wanted to do. I think he really enjoys playing a villain, and, as an actor, he probably wants a dynamic and complex character. The same could also be said for Fisher and Ford.
     
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    Totally agree that Hamill is probably psyched to play the bad guy...and I can see him pulling it off.

    I can also see Hamill wanting to play the "crazy hermit" type character - but taken to a further extreme than Ben Kenobi on Tatooine. Think Yoda when we first met him. That was an act of course - but imagine a Luke who has been locked up for 10 years and tortured, etc. - cut off from news of the galaxy. Maybe being assaulted continuously by the lies and manipulations of some very powerful Sith Force Ghost. 10 years is a LONG time.

    Episode VII may end with Luke being rescued - but he's a broken, crazy Luke...and perhaps in his madness he eventually succumbs to the Dark Side for VIII-IX.
     
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    Also just thought of this. It's been 30 years since RotJ. The Empire is still kicking. The bright, shiny New Republic hasn't happened. So Hero Luke who thought the galaxy had been 'saved' with the death of Darth Sideous has been living with bitter disappointment and an ongoing (20 year!) struggle against the bad guys. That's got to be a bit soul crushing.

    Then to ice that cake he gets abducted and thrown in a torture pit for 10 years.

    Maybe like Anakin once did he believes the only way to save the galaxy is to rule it. His father offered him the chance to join him and do that 30 years previously. He didn't make that choice and the result is FAILURE on an ongoing basis. That must make him reconsider his choices.
     
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    Exactly! LUKE passed his test on the brink of moving to the dark side to protect who he loves but he STOPS and refuses. Darth Vader turns back to the good side and is redeemed. You CAN'T go back on that. Does Luke become battle scarred? Cynical? Excentric? Perhaps. But he's stated in interviews that this movie the old characters are there to turn it over to the new kids, they are there to support them. Luke will NOT be the new Darth Vader or Sith.
     
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    I don’t see why that is a final and conclusive test though. At that point in time he resisted temptation. But that doesn’t mean temptation permanently disappears. That is way too easy and not the way of the world.

    If I, when I was 20, was faced with the option to kill someone and refused. When I am 60, that does not guarantee the same decision will be made again under similar circumstances. My collective life experience, current environment and mental state, and any number of extenuating circumstances could wear down my resistance to the temptation to do evil and thus travel down the path of the darkside.

    We have no idea what has happened to Luke since Endor. We have no idea what kind of person he is. The seduction of quick and easy power is perpetual. It would have to be a constant battle for the jedi, like wading in a body of water. If you stop battling to stay afloat for even a minute, you will drown in it.
     
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    i think that if anything was dropped to distract us it was that photo of the "cyborg" holding Vader's broken helmet. my bet is on that having NOTHING to do with the new movies at all.

    Luke having a beard is perfect and plays directly into the idea of handing the reins to the next generation. he'll be the Obi-Wan/Yoda crazy old wizard that probably died around the same time as your father. err...
     
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    There's things you just don't do. You don't change the mythology. The son redeems his father. That's it. It's like having Prince Charming saves Sleeping Beauty then to turn around and kill her years later. This is STAR WARS not some lame Sci-Fi show. There's a consistency to the mythology.
     
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    A consistency and repetitiveness of theme that would make it likely that a fallen hero will need to be redeemed again. A Skywalker in fact.

    Maybe it’s just a stylistic preference. But I think the idea of Luke just passing his test and never being tempted again is too simplistic. I know star wars is very simplistic in its notions of good and evil. It is part of its appeal. But, having Luke deal with darkness again doesn’t cheapen any of the themes of the OT in my opinion. If anything I think it strengthens the message that Yoda was trying to get across in his descriptions of the dark side. There is no immunity to its seduction just because you have resisted it once before. Luke failed in the cave. And he failed initially when he confronted Vader. He has shown he is susceptible. If the mere mention of his sister was enough to cause him to lose his resolve once, I can imagine any number of things that would drive him over the edge again.

    I don’t think Luke needs to turn for the ST to be good. But I do think it is a valid option for the continuation of the saga’s plot and themes.
     
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    This.
     
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    I have no doubt that someone will be at risk of turning to the dark side... or already turned. But they'll be redeemed. I just don't think it'll happen in the first movie or that it will be Luke, he faced his Demons and WON. Here we learn who to care about next and what suffering they go through. Ep VIII will be where all seems lost and we learn deeper truths about the characters. Ep IX is redemption and some closure... and then they start the NEXT trilogy.;)
     
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    We often refer to MSW in our Blog articles and he seems like a decent guy who, like us, is just trying to put everything we've seen into some form of context BUT, that said, when you read this section of his speculation:

    Is there a chance this is Adam Driver? Yep! If the Luke Skywalker twist isn’t accurate, I guess it must be Driver. However, we’ve seen Driver on the rebel base and there hasn’t been an indication he’s the evil guy that has stood firm since the pre-casting announcement.

    In this article it is rather vague as to who has seen these pics or if he saw them himself. Yet, he describes them and then at the end can't tell the difference between Driver or Hamill. It's all suspicious in my mind.

    Lastly, the idea of a Vader-esque mouth cover reminds me of a couple characters:

    [​IMG]

    Darth Plagueis. IF Darth Plagueis created Anakin through his meddling with immortality and is in essence Anakin's "Father" would it not make sense that he would have a vested interest in Darth Vader? I'm not saying that Plagueis is the bad guy although I think he could be.

    For that matter Darth Malgus could also be the figure described in the MSW article.

    [​IMG]
     
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    in the force.net forum they (Making & friend) said that he looks like Malgus but that it's not Malgus;)
     
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    Yeah, but I posted that because it's what the description reminded me of. They could have used the Malgus design and just created a whole new character around it for the sake of the ST, as we know they were going to borrow and cherry-pick from the EU.

    BTW - IF you peeps haven't read this it's a good article on why MSW speculation is most likely wrong:

    http://indierevolver.com/2014/10/03/lets-pump-the-brakes-on-that-big-episode-vii-theory/
     
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    In light of Making Star Wars recent post, I thought I should update this thread.

    Here is the link (SPOILERS):
    http://makingstarwars.net/2014/10/star-wars-episode-vii-mask-evil-two-concepts/

    This is a quote from his post:
    "A cool source of ours listened to our podcast and heard us venting about the beard stuff from last week in which everyone said you couldn’t have an evil Luke because his beard would show. The source basically said “you could put a beard under that.” Thank you, source. I will say, the stature of the character is more Mark Hamill than Adam Driver."

    He also has some more info on the link, which is well worth reading.
     
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    Yeah when are they gonna leak all this art #liars #frauds #jjwillnodestroystarwarsbyruiningluke
     
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    Mr. Ward may be misinterpreting what he is seeing, but he seems to have a good reputation around Star Wars websites (including this one). I hardly think he is a liar or a fraud. The images probably have not been released due to legal ramifications.
     
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    He just wants everyone to believe disney paid 4B for sw just to destroy it

    Luke the villain please
     
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    I trust him more than other people that post leaks and rumors.
     
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    Just because Jason Ward has stated that he believes the cyborg villain is Luke doesn't make him a liar. He's made it very clear that he's speculating based on concept art, not insisting that this is a 100% fact.

    You can choose to agree with his interpretation or not, but he has a right to arrive at his own conclusions just like everyone else.
     
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