Do people really consider the stuff canon?

Before Disney took over, there were levels of canon. There was G Canon, which stands for George Canon, which means Movies only.
Then there were the book canon. Comics Canon. Books and Comics Canon. People generally accepted that movies trumped everything, and that if book did not jive with any of the movies, it was really that one book's fault.

Now that Disney took over, there is only Disney Canon. There is no more levels of canon. And everything before 2013 is fake. At least that's what Disney is saying.

 

Wisely said, you're right. I enjoy that Rebel stuff so much: characters, events, romance, twists, all of it. How did Vader figured out Luke is actually his son? Never thought I will be interested about it, and was so exited to read it (twice ). Like Aphra`s role, again never thought it is possible to have that type of character, especially when we now know she meets General Syndulla next month, can`t wait...

Ongoing series are fantastic, of course some of them won`t work as another type of media, that is why it's cool to like the art of comics. Still waiting for any media in between ESB and ROTJ...


Reviewed the whole discussion, what can I say, it depends on personality. On my experience there are people who instantly turn interested in what Canon media means, or people who dislike that idea from the beginning. Kind of a siths

 

Why on earth is someone giving you all the dislike ratings. What you've been saying makes perfect sense.

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If everything before 2013 is fake then why is Disney still selling it. Even now there is movie-canon and eu canon. What happens in the movies trumps what happens in the books or comics. In the TFA novelization Poe and Rey had met before on D'Qar. In TLJ the first meet on the Falcon at the end of the movie. The first meeting in the book is no longer canon.

The story group is trying to present a coherent canon, and for now it definitely more coherent than the previous one, but that doesn't mean they change stuff and suddenly declare material to be non-canon anymore.

If you apply the canon-criterium to rigourous, the story group will shoot itself in the foot and they know it. In the interest of the creativity of the moviemakers it is better to be flexible with the term 'canon'.

 

"This is outrageous, it's unfair..." at least for me. I remember how Storygroup tried to defend themselves explaining that Death Star is a big place, that's why some imperials couldn't know they are on Jedha`s/Scariff's orbit, which contradicts with events in Lost Stars, so vividly described. Sure thing, it's been written year before R1, but still it's cheap move. I have accepted that. Sold.
But LOL to Pablo every time he explains possibilities of points of view. Maybe it's bad example, but Rey's meeting with Poe, c'mon I need TLJ novelization to see how it works in their minds. Rian was so busy writing script for TLJ, helping Claudia Gray with Bloodline, so he missed TFA novelization? I doubt it. Does he put in TLJ just to show importance of the scene to casual SW fans? Maybe.

No offence, but I do want consistency of the Universe, they bought it, they own it, they are responsible. Having a huge number of writers, storytellers, authors, whatever, it's unacceptable to have little discrepancies like those.

P.S.
Everything written above is die hard fan's point of view.

 

Unacceptable perhaps, but also unavoidable. I hope they have the guts to scrap some of the things they created when it hampers the story proposed by one of the film makers. Small things of course, not big overarching narrative structures. The Poe and Rey change in TLJ is completely acceptable to me.

 

To be fair, Pablo has said when there are actual contradictions (like in the TFA novelization) the movies are the "true" canon.

Note that obviously this doesn't apply to expansions of what we see in the films, such as Maul's return.

 

Hell if I know. It wasn't the person I was discussing with and it happened in a burst.

Well look who it is! Funny seeing you over here, MU.

 

It's easy to say "who cares" when you don't. Yet.
"I care." -- Luke Skywalker.

Longer version (my opinions):
1. The media tie in of Star Wars pre Disney takeover was a different animal than those of other franchise.
Lucasbooks told me that those books were canon as far as Star Wars was concerned. That every book built itself around those which were published before. It mattered. People were upset that Chewie died in Vector Prime and Mara died in Sacrifice because the readers knew they would never see those character alive again. It's different than say Star Trek where if Picard dies in one book, another book will just have Picard alive and kicking. No explanation needed in between.
2. More importantly, "They lied. They lied to us!" -- paraphrasing Grand Moff Tarkin. Lucasbooks pre Disney takeover said times and again that the Books were canon. They did all that holocron by Leland Chee. How am I supposed to believe any of the stuff Lucasbooks says anymore?
3. I'm starting to accept that they won't really Bring Back Legend. Crucible was it. The problem is they bring in Thrawn and Ahsoka from Legends. Analogy would be like if the love of your life suddenly gave you divorce papers, and they took everything from you, including the house you grew up in. Then every Christmas they send you a brick from said house. I apologize, but that's just how I feel about them at this point.
4. I totally get it that there are "Movie purists." and there are also "EU advocates (Now Legend advocates?" Can't we just get along? There's no reason to say to a EU fan that "oh, I'm not reading it, it's not even canon anymore." Or for anyone saying "Oh, great, another Movie Purists." Can we just choose to go to a movie or not and choose to read a book or not without being attacked and belittled?
5. Can we have a white banner on Disney Canon books that says CANON like the EU books that says LEGENDS? If no, why not?

 

I think there's been such a schism between Star Wars fans that we are speaking different languages. The words are the same but the meanings are different. If you're speaking legends purist you might as well be speaking mandarin as far as I'm concerned. Hint - I don't speak mandarin.

What I don't understand is why the effort? Enjoy what you enjoy. Make peace with the rest. I'm just here to talk about Star Wars, maybe debate theories, I don't really care for constant undermining of what other people enjoy.

 

You are right, Darth Malkovich.

EU/Legend purist and fans of the new canon should stop attacking each other.

 

I don't see why this is such a big deal. If you don't like the EU (canon or legends), just ignore it: don't be pretentious about it. If you love the EU (canon or legends), I'm glad you're enjoying more of the fantastic world of Star Wars: just keep in mind that some folks like a more simple view of the series. Everybody likes different things and for different reasons. To me, it's very arrogant to discount what someone is saying because it doesn't follow your headcanon. It's all fiction anyway.

I personally like the EU. I love TCW and think that it's an incredible show; I think Rebels is a mixed bag, but still usually enjoyable; I think the novels are good as they can reveal more about what a character is thinking and leave more to the reader's imagination; and the comics can be good as they can visually do things that the movies can't. Of course, I'm not going to like every single episode/show/comic/book, so I just forget about the stuff I don't like. I don't care for the majority of the Forces of Destiny shorts, so I just ignore 'em for the most part.

In short, canon is subjective. Your idea of canon is probably different from my idea of canon and that's okay.

 

Saw Gerrera in Rogue One officially cemented the non-movie material as canon, regardless to anyone's opinions on TCW, Rebels, or the books and comics. Just because something isn't mentioned in the movies doesn't mean it didn't happen. In fact a lot of the stuff does in the non-movie material has helped explain stuff in the movies further. Anakin being pissed about not being a master doesn't make any sense since he never trained a padawan into knighthood but you add in the knowledge of Ahsoka and The Clone Wars and suddenly his anger makes much more sense. I take everything released (even if I hate it) as fully canon.

 

Join me and I will complete your training toward the Expanded Universe side of the Force. Together, we can end this destructive conflict, and enjoy Star War as Canon and Legend fans.