Finn - Don't listen to the Hyperbole

I agree but again all the good stuff for a character shouldn't be in the book... I mean everything is suppose to be canon now but if the Movie, the Book and Visual Guide dont lineup what the hell is taking precedent? Do we just go back to Lucas Model of Films > Cartoons > The Other Stuff?

 

Yes. yes there is. It happens before we even see Rey.

Before he got blood on his helmet, he was shooting just like every other ST. Afterwards the camera started to swivel and he began to panic. It's one of the mysteries of the film, but people are so hopped up on the obvious stuff they neglected to see it.

And just to show that it wasn't nothing, after Kylo stares at him he knows that it's FN-2187 who broke Poe out. he remember his service number and recognizes him without his armor on. They then read up on his record. He was perfectly compliant up until that moment.

What could have done that?

 

Kylo looks at Finn because all the other stormtroopers are being evil and stuff like they're supposed to be, and Finn is thinking about how messed up the stuff that happened is. It wouldn't be hard for him to notice one person feeling opposite emotions from the rest of those around him.

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Probably wiping out an entire village of people.

 

It wasn't a dying villager that brought him out of compliance. It was a bloody hand.

 

The bloody hand of a dead guy during the massacre of an entire village, which he refused to contribute to. People dying around you is generally a bit unnerving to say the least, and force users can sense the emotions of anybody who can't block them. Finn probably isn't force sensitive.

 

Then explain the scene where he hears the people that were effected by starkiller.

 

After my first viewing my initial thoughts were that there was more to Finn's character however after seeing it again I'm pretty sure he won't be force sensitive. As for the moment in the village, Finn is the only trooper not firing and is staring directly at Ren I think that gives Ren enough reason to notice Finn and his name/number.

 

What the count said.
(I can't believe I said that...)

 

Yeah he was something else all right. He was a member of the First Order, under the command of Phasma no less, who was on his first combat mission and had just refused to follow a direct order that had come directly from Kylo Ren.

 

Hello! My first post here... I think Finn doesn't need to be FS to be noticed in the village. Kylo Ren just senses something is out of place (feelings ST should not have). Maybe he senses so much fear in Finn that he doesn't see him as a threat and that's why decides not to do anything with Finn. By the way.. later on in the film Kylo Ren senses the presence of Han Solo even though he is not FS.

 

FN-2187 = Finn
2187 = Princess Leia's cell number on first Death Star (in Detention Block AA23)

 

THat's like: There is no Red 5, because Red 5 is missing.

What the everliving heck?!

 

I'm curious to see how Finn fits in to the story in episode VIII.

 

But Finn isn't a normal dude. He's a conditioned, raised at birth, brainwashed Stormtrooper at that point. Seeing people die shouldn't effect him the way it did, in fact, for the first couple of minutes, it didn't.

His all of a sudden rejection of his directive after years of compliance is either bad writing, or there's way more to the character.

 

Theres way more to his character.

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I refuse to believe its just crappy writing.

 

I hope Finn isn't a "Lando's kidnapped baby son who was made into a stormtrooper" who gets reunited iwith Lando in a future film. That would be meh.

 

Leia even comments on it when they arrive at the resistance base, just how incredibly impressed she is with him to turn on the FO and save Poe.

 

Honestly to me I feel that our first sign of "awakening" was in that scene. They even had a bit of a sound effect when Finn breaks off from the rest. The issue is that they didn't make it very clear so if Finn starts dancing around with Force Powers in VIII people will (inaccurately) claim "Deus ex Machina!"

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Please please please be a Leonis

 

They should've merged the Finn and Poe characters. The latter, although I liked him, was pointless.
I would've had Poe at the beginning go to meet Lor San Tekka to get the map.
First Order attack. Finn witnesses Kylo interrogating LST. Poe has been killed.
Kylo reveals that LST wanted to give map to Rebels to buy himself his freedom - maybe on the run from the republic? Something like that.
Keep the bit where Finn didn't fire his weapon. LSK is killed by Kylo.
Phasma tells Finn to report to her. He sees he needs to defect.
He steals the map back from the FO and escapes in a Tie (that he can fly himself).
Then the story can continue as it did. He meets Rey. Maybe they argue about who is the better pilot/gunner. They agree he goes on the guns in the Falcon.
Later on, during the battle on Star Killer Finn is one of the pilots rather on the ground getting pwnd by Kylo.
Finn destroys the Star Killer base. Rey defeats Kylo.
Then Finn is shot down and badly injured - if for some reason they need that to be the case.
I dunno, it just struck me that the Star Killer assault needed a primary character rather than focusing on cameo Poe.

 

In the novelization of the film it says: (...and in response, the figure of Kylo Ren turn and look sideways directly at the soldier. The trooper saw only light reflecting off a mask and his own fear. "He knows. He must know. And I'm dead." ...)

This is only a sample from the book so if anyone knows what Finn is thinking during the village scene, it would be enlightening to know.