Had He Kept Lucasfilm George Lucas Would Have Made Three More Films Further Explaining the Nature of the Force

Wondering how an Indiana Jones in Space would work with an older Aphra (Ming Na-Wen?) and Zay Versio (Iden Versio's daughter) film in the Resistance-First Order Era would work if announced......especially considering the terms thrown around by detractors.

 

Agreed, this would be great in the Alien franchise.
Star Wars? eh.....

 

I'm not sure what the dance scene from Ex Machina has to do with my post, but I'll take it!

 

I agree with you to some extent. I personally prefer the force being something of a spiritual, intangible nature. something some people are more sensitive to than others. This idea always worked for me in the SW universe. As @LadyMusashi says, stories just take a life of their own in the collective consciousness, away from their authors. mythologies just work like that, they morph and evolve as people assimilate them and the world changes.

However, isn't it tragic that the person who came up with this world and this mythical concept could not share his full explanation of it? And who can blame him... He probably thought it wasn't worth it in the end and I feel sad for it. We may question the "morality" of his explanation of the force, but really, it was just a story of fiction and he had all the right in the world to share it without being fearful of the repercussions for himself and for others... I think it is wrong of fans to have all this caveats about what the force should be or should not be (or about story, characters or anything at all really...) In the real world there are religious and scientific explanations for the way the world works and we cope with it. We should be able to do the same, and with more reason, with a work of fiction.

 

Part of the reason Aphra can make it as space Indiana Jones is because for all its insanity and pseudo-science, it doesn't really mess too much with already established stuff.

They're not trying to claim that Kyber Crystals are mostly ceremonial and a lightsaber's true power actually comes from batteries, or that Wookies are actually hairy reptiles. , for instance.

That's why the midichlorian thing is so weird. It messes with the pre-established conception of the force, and in a way that wasn't even so much a reveal as a nonchalant recognition.

 

It think we've all heard that, and I've definitely heard Pablo Hidalgo say the same.

It's just another example of how Lucas' ideas change radically over time.

The Filoni/Hidalgo Retcon is what I'm gonna go with, for sure. lol

 

How I read this:

Maybe I'm way off, but I sincerely don't believe Lucas is saying the Whills are microscopic Force bugs.

 

Yoda's species were once rumoured to be called Whills. But not by George Lucas.

 

According to Lucas and his explanation above, the midichlorians are the communicating link between the whills (the essence of the force) and the vessel (the people who carry the force). The microbiotic element would be the midiclorians, not the whills. It's a bit wacky but interesting how Lucas tried to merge science and spirituality in the "force" concept.

 

Yeah, midichlorians could have worked if they were introduced in the RotJ as a final revelation about the Force from dying Yoda, as something to be looked into after the war was over. This way the midichlorian count from TPM and microorganisms from potential Ep.VII would have connected perfectly.

 

Sounds whack as hell.

 

Dancing. Happiness. Celebration.

 

I think they might have been fine had he bothered to work them into the plot in any meaningful way beyond the point of mentioning them. They’re brought up, briefly mentioned again in ROTS, and then no more. If there was anything more to the story to make them relevant beyond ‘you gotta lotta Force in ya’, then it might have played better. Otherwise, what’s the point? A symptom of the Jedi’s disconnect with spirituality? Maybe if Lucas had actually connected those dots at all for us.

I’m sure I’ve mentioned it before, but my personal hope back in the day was that they’d be used as a means of enforcing a rigid caste system in the Jedi. Higher levels meant higher class. It would be something tangible Anakin could point to as hypocritical and corrupt. A valid criticism that a former slave would be more than sensitive to. Oh well. Head canon is just that.

 

With the right execution this could have been something really special.
So special it might changed peoples opinion about the little line from Qui gon in Phantom Menace.

 

You're absolutely right. Getting upset over a thing that will never come to fruition is silly.

 

They are meaningful to the plot.

Lucas didn't include the midiclorians to explain the Force. He included them to explain Anakin's powerful connection to it.

Qui-Gon Jinn didn't know why Anakin was so strong with the Force. At first, he asks who the father was, but turns out there wasn't one. Then he performs a midiclorian test. This scientific test was the driving force behind why Qui-Gon believed the boy was something extraordinary. Ultimately, Qui-Gon believed the boy was conceived by the midiclorians and that his birth was a result of the will of the Force (or the "whill" of the Force) and he was the chosen one.

However in Episode III, we are given a different explanation of Anakin's divine connection to the Force. We learn about Sidious' master Darth Plagueis and how he could manipulate the midiclorians to create life. This brings into question the nature of Anakin's birth that was set up from the beginning episode.

So really the talk of midiclorians focused on the nature of Anakin's birth and his Force connection. Personally, I have no issue with them. They aren't the Force. To me, the most interesting comment from Lucas was that he said the Force is basically the Whills.

 

Why would that need an explanation at all though? The OT had already established that sensing how strong someone is with the Force can be done effectively enough without a gadget or assigning some number to it. That he had no father and was possibly the product of the Force itself should have been enough for Qui-Gon. Midi-chlorians don’t improve that premise. They only complicate it. “He’s insanely strong with the Force AND there’s no dad? Presto, 1 + 1 = 2”

It didn’t HAVE to be though. That was an artificial stipulation that Lucas came up with. The premise could have worked fine without it.

No. Nobody ever said there was anything “divine” about the chosen one. All anyone knew was that he’d be born of the midi-chlorians (just call it “Force” instead and it makes no difference), he’d destroy the Sith, and that he’d bring balance. That’s it. All the ROTS revelation tells us is how the midis were maybe involved.

I can agree with that

 

Really interesting news by GL.