Had TFA and TLJ pleased fans, would TROS be the end?

I actually think they may go for a Rey/Finn series myself.
Reylo, much to my disappointment, is dead in the water. Daisy herself was against the idea pre TROS
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2470488/daisy-ridley-doesnt-want-rey-to-end-up-with-kylo-ren

Adam Driver liked playing Kylo/Ben, but Disney killed the character off in order to promote Rey; also he's a big star now with two Oscar noms. I'd love him to come back, but I seriously doubt it. Boyega I lost a lot of respect for after his behaviour on twitter but he's good friends with Ridley so he might also be persuaded to return. Don't know about Oscar, he's doing Moon Knight.
DLF's tv spin offs have been pretty successful, so it wouldn't surprise me one bit if they decide to make a Rey/Finn spinoff, especially now he's been revealed as FS.

 

With Filoni taking a larger creative role inside Lucasfilm I won't be surprised that elements he's setting up for Ahsoka/Erza will be folded back into the story post sequel trilogy. Grogru won't be that much older and there's plenty of storytelling about how he grows in the force. That also goes back to whatever the Chiss are facing in the unknown regions. Zahn has been very vague in six books about the Grysks. So there are all these elements that could be worked on in live action series on Disney+ that could also pertain to what's going on with Rey/Finn in the future.

 

Holy bantha fodder, I can imagine the debris field when THAT train crashes.... and it spans OUR Galaxy.

 

More likely than what?

 

Unfortunately for a Kylo fan like myself that also applies to seeing his character returning; which is why I have little enthusiasm for any future SW material involving the surviving characters.

 

Kylo Ren? Together, Ben Solo and Rey Skywalker destroyed him.

Ben has merged with the force, we must assume. So Kylo can't come back, can he? Unless in some sort of memory/flashback. Or in something set pre TFA. Where we will be treated to Kylo Ren bringing all the death, destruction and pain which Luke saw in his vision in the hut. Lovely thought. Nice one Disney. Great philopsophy to present to people. Focusing on a petulant, entitled teenager given too much power and who will think nothing of murdering unarmed old men and massacring villages. The coward who murdered his own loving, forgiving father in the most underhand way imaginable. They will have truly let Palpatine/Snoke et al win if that's what LFL decides is the image of the franchise they wish to focus on and promote. Just rename the franchise Spoiled Murderous Brats And Their Groomers Wars. I asperse the moral fibre of anyone who accepts such obscenities.

 

More likely than getting a sequel trilogy to the sequel trilogy.

 

You sound bitter....

And in any case, it's no worse than making a Palpatine a Skywalker.

 

Actually, a Skywalker choosing the dark side and murdering his father in pursuit of power is categorically, unequivocally worse than taking the orphaned grandclone/child of Palpatine and showing her utterly, symbolically and materially, reject and destroy everything that he tried to build.

Bitter about what? I'm just highlighting some of the moral accusations you sometimes fling around because Rey, who has done no evil and is the offspring of a cloned son Palpatine, a parent who rejected their evil father's legacy and helped restore light back to the galaxy, lived and Ben didn't.

But you want the continuing franchise to focus on someone who turned to the dark side because he thinks he's all that and will kill his own father in the most cowardly way.

I don't intend to flame you. I understand you are a big Kylo Ren fan, or a Ben fan or both and you wish he had been honoured by something other than a noble death of self sacrifice. But the hypocrisy and blatant double standards that you are willing to deal in, particularly when you accuse anyone of being tolerant of the ending of TROS of having questionable morals, deserve to highlighted.

 

I personally think we would have got/ will get Episode 10 at some point whatever the reaction to the sequel Trilogy was positive or negative.

Disney knows that releasing a star wars film called episode 10 is going to likely make more money than a star wars film without that naming/numbering. So at some point, they will pull the trigger.

It's just a question of when, I don't think it will be for a few years yet, but with no new Star Wars movies on the horizon, (the scheduled 2025 release date seems very unlikely at this stage), plus with Daisy Ridley's career really suffering with post star wars blues, I can see them pulling the trigger on episode 10 towards the end of the decade when the novelty of Star TV shows has worn off and the franchise needs a shot in the arm.

I think the only thing that would have stopped episode 10 from happening would be if Lucasfilm managed to start a new series of star wars films that were massively successful. Which it doesn't seem to have any strong/concrete ideas for currently as they currently seem to be apprehensive about what to do with the film side of the franchise. Therefore seems logical they will circle back towards episode 10 as its an easy win (financially at least)

 

Okay...

Let me try an explain a few things here as to why I didn't like how they chose to end the Skywalker saga.

Rogue 1, despite a cameo from Leia and also Vader, is not about the Skywalkers. The Mandalorian, despite a guest appearance from Luke, is not about the Skywalkers. Andor is not about the Skywalkers.

But the last three films in the Skywalker saga....shouldn't they have been about...the Skywalkers?

Unless they decided to make Rey a Skywalker and according to both Abrams and Pablo Hidalgo, that was never intended; both insisted post the release of TFA that Kylo was the Skywalker in the series - not Rey - then the Skywalker saga should have been about Kylo Ren, or Ben Solo, or whatever you want to call him. It doesn't really matter what we moviegoers thought of him, he was Han and Leia's son, Luke's nephew and Anakin's grandson.The last Skywalker. Those of us who 'shipped' reylo honestly thought that the two would have a romantic relationship and eventually marry, and Rey would become a Skywalker by marriage. I'm not interested in 'oh, reylo was an abusive ship' talk, I've heard it all before, and I'm very tired of it. The plain fact is, as the last of the bloodline we thought that Kylo would play a major role alongside Rey, as she was the protagonist, and he was the Skywalker.

If they wanted to make a film or tv series about a scavenger girl and a stormtrooper....not a Skywalker....then they should have given Rey her own film or tv series. I actually think Finn's story would have made a great tv series, like Andor and Mando. It genuinely bewilders me that they made the last three films in the Skywalker saga about...two people who weren't Skywalkers.

'Rey has done no evil'....now that is interesting. Rey throughout the entire ST has done some very questionable things. In both TFA and TLJ she showed 'darksider' tendencies...she attacked Luke from behind, when he was unarmed. She reached for a weapon when Kylo was holding out his hand. When fighting Kylo on StarKiller...noticed how she circled him like a predator - just like Anakin did with Obi wan in ROTS.
Yes, yes...maybe her behaviour was understandable, at least in TFA...but it was not the kind of behaviour a Jedi was supposed to show. Jedi were supposed to use the Force in defense - never attack. Yoda himself warned Luke that hatred, fear and anger led to the dark side. Rey showed a lot of all three throughout the ST... but apart from a brief talk with Luke on Acht To this was never really addressed. She never seemed to endure what Luke endured.

We are supposed to applaud her 'nobility' in renouncing the Palpatine name....but Luke never renounced his father's name, did he? And let's face it, her father was a Palpatine ...and her parents were supposed to be 'good'. By renouncing the name Rey was also renouncing her 'good' parents.

Most of all, Kylo's supposed 'evil' was strongly hinted by Abrams in TFA to be in part as a result of his 'genes'....he is shown worshipping Vader's mask, promising him he would 'finish what he started', and Han made a point of saying 'there was always too much Vader in him.' So going by that logic, in Abrams' own film...Rey too is fated to turn 'evil', as her grandfather is also a darksider - and unlike Vader didn't have a tragic backstory to excuse it. Instead Abrams firmly pushes that Rey is the 'good girl', the Chosen Child of the Skywalkers unlike their tainted blood descendant. Sorry, but that's hypocritical.

Most of all....what made Vader's redemption so moving in the OT was how Luke achieved it. He threw away his weapon. He refused to kill his own father, despite his understandable hate for the man who had:
killed his aunt and uncle
killed his surrogate father figure
tortured his friend
tortured his sister
maimed him.

Rey won by killing her grandfather.

Says it all, doesn't it?

 

No it doesn't because you left out who and what her Grandfather was and how he brought about his own death.

It's funny how you sometimes stress that Rey surviving but being a Palpatine is good enough reason to condemn her. But other times you like to ignore the fact that she's a Palpatine in order to condemn her for being a grandfather killer.

 

Folks, can we please not go right back to that same circular argument again? Seriously, there HAS TO BE other things to discuss in Star Wars, right? It would be very nice if we could, I don't know, love and appreciate a bit around here? Thanks.

 

Okay, here are my five reasons why I think TLJ is the best of the sequels:
Acting - everyone was good, but Driver and Hamill were spectacular.
Visuals - the entire film was a joy to look at, especially Canto Bight and Crait
Character development - again, everyone good, but I think Poe got the best character growth of all.
'Shades of grey'....I liked how it was shown that 'good guys' and 'bad guys' got their weapons from the same dealers; in this modern era I think Johnson was right to show how the line between good and evil can often be blurred.
Kylo killing his abusive mentor - how do you like karma, Snoke?

I think this is one heck of a bit of good acting from Driver; I actually felt his humiliation here.
https://www.google.com/search?q=kyl...#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:ba9c27fc,vid:3Fwlhf3IK1A

 

They are. They're about a Skywalker choosing to do what the Skywalker's do best: self sacrifice for the ones they love.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Rey wasn't Ben's 'other half'; it's made pretty obvious both onscreen and in the book that she didn't love him.
Regarding Leia dying saving Ben...actually, I think she was saving Rey; in fact 'reaching out to Ben' in the last moment....almost got him killed!

 

Dyad. Other half of himself.
I wasn't referring to romantic love.

It's pretty clear Ben cares deeply for Rey.

Romance isn't the only form of love and care.

He died saving the one he loved. So have scores of soldiers who died for fellow soldiers they loved.

I doubt Anakin was romantically in love with his son.

Cheers,
Jayson

 

Ben was in love with her.
Rey was not in love with him.
Ben died for someone who.didn't.love.him. Romantic or otherwise. Luke mourned his father, wept for him, had a funeral pyre for him. And he had done far worse to Luke than Ben did to Rey.
Rey promptly forgot the man who sacrificed his life for her. She never told any of her friends what he'd done, or even shed a tear. This is confirmed in the novel.

I found it both sad...and cold, actually. Even if she didn't love him, she could have been shown telling someone Ben Solo had returned to the light and given his life for her, that the last Skywalker had died a hero.
But, no.