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SPECULATION How Do You Think Rogue One Will Impact or Enhance the Star Wars Saga?

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by JediMasterRobert, Mar 4, 2016.

  1. Cmdr. Ed Straker

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    Thanks.
    Why we have to?
    Same as above, why we have to?
    Does not make sense to me.
    Because the Empire got beaten, but every government/dictatorship would use all of his units/power before it's beaten in a last resort.

    The problem is for them that the OT was filmed over 30 years ago.
    As example: the Death and Chrometroopers were not invented back then.
    Disney wants to make a lot of money and I guess it does not matter to them if the OT gets compromised to some degree.
    They already did it with TFA, they weakend the end of ROTJ. (as one example of many)
    The more I think about it, they should make some KOTOR movies instead.
    But with well known characters like Han Solo/Luke Skywalker/Darth Vader and so on...it's easier to reach the masses and to make profit.
    My honest opinion is, that they accept the risk and gamble to destroy the OT, for easy money.
     
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    Why, you ask? Because at a certain point, cynicism for anything new becomes cynicism for its own sake. If you really cannot deal with new characters and designs entering the time-period of the OT, then I suggest you stick to just watching the OT and let the rest of us enjoy exploring the new depths in the canon.
     
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    This post is a good example.
    An opinion that is not compliant with the popular opinion becomes vilified these days with this kind of argumentation.
    Nonetheless feel free to enjoy the new stuff. (I never invoked to boycott the franchise)
     
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    Works both ways, man.
     
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    Look, I don't want to get personal, but you brought up a concern you have, I gave a thoughtful answer, and you responded with "why should I have to do that?" Well, the answer is you don't; if you're so bothered by new things in your Star Wars, the next few years are going to be rough for you. Feel free to indulge or don't, but don't try to play the victim if we don't appreciate blatant cynicism. Differing opinions breeds discussion, but rejecting opinions after a compromise was offered is just obstructionism. Which is what these last few posts have done: obstruct the thread. So please, let's continue with the topic at hand, and if you don't have anything constructive to say, maybe keep it to yourself.
     
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    Bothered is not the right word, but I'm concerned about bad integrated new things.
    To the second point, It's not my Star Wars, I don't own it. (I'am just a spectator like everyone else)
    No, because I can live with a messed up Star Wars.
    It's not the center of my life.
    I'am not a victim and by the way who is "we" - is the complete board meant?
    If so, I must be in the minority then, but I thought you're writing only for yourself and not for all board members.
    To be honest, my posts were "on Topic" until you showed up and answered me.
    Somehow it evolved into a unnecessary missunderstanding.
    This sentence is an insolence and I should answer it with "and vice versa" if I had bad manners.
    Sorry if you're disturbed by my presence at this board.
    You have the option to ignore my posts.
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    Maybe.

    Edit: Thanks @Luuke22 for giving me a Off-Topic for responding to you, but your profile states: "more self-reflective than your average space bear"

    The board is bugging at times like a negotiation with Darth Vader.
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    Today's conclusion: "Everyone has a bad day once in a while"
     
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  7. JediMasterRobert

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    Thanks, Light Savior_47!

    This was quite a nice surprise!

    You have raised such excellent points, LadyMusashi!

    If the film contains even a fraction of what you have mentioned, this should be a very special experience

    -- a film, beyond its initial entertainment value, which could potentially give us new insight into the the opposing sides, the state of the galaxy, and perhaps help us appreciate the obstacles overcome and to get to know (and care for) the many unsung heroes who collectively made the events in A New Hope possible.

    That the kind of perfectly balanced positive impact / enhancement I'm hoping for in this film.

    JediMasterRobert
     
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    This is a friendly post, like always. (you should get a special award for the nicest newcomer in my opinion)

    I wouldn't mind to see some spies, preferably Bothans, but those are first mentioned by Mon Mothma in ROTJ.
    So I don't consider them to show up in Rogue One.
     
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    Maybe that could inspire a possible sequel to Rogue One, if one ever gets made.

    I always wondered how Bothans would look, speak, and act.

    Wookieepedia has just a quick sketch in the "canon" article:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan

    but there's some interesting and more complete artwork in the "legends" article:
    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bothan/Legends

    They could be very interesting, perhaps even providing some fun competition in the "furry creature" category currently dominated by Wookies, Ewoks, and Wampas :)

    (chewbacca)(ewok) (wampa)

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    I think if done well, Rogue One will enhance the Saga. It will give us a feel for the struggle the Rebellion against the Empire. We will get to see the details of what was referenced in the crawl of ANH. Of course if it is done poorly, it will get criticized like the prequels do. As far as causing inconsistencies with the Saga, that is what the story group is for; to make sure that those inconsistencies don't occur.
     
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    Rogue one impact on entire saga cant be predicted,however the film is much more important than just one spin-off.

    It is first such real action SW film and it is an important milestone and indicator.

    That fillm will be big indicator of the Disney's intentions with the Star wars saga. The analyists will be watching this movie with great attention and in details.

    If Rogue one will be just action-packed extravaganza, however entertaining, it will be a sign the saga will be treated by Disney just from the surface, and main intention is just commercial, profit.

    If however, Rogue will introduce some plots and solutions to the grand perspective of the saga (which certainly is a perfect chance to do!), it will be great , showing they take the Star wars development serriously.

    For instance: our friend Snoke, it will be perfect scenario we could see if they put a hint in Rogue one about the presence of the powerfull dark force user in the galaxy at this time. I see gret oportunity to use idea of "The Old master" from SW cartoons-the rebels, about stealthy figure who discretly helps rebels against Palpatine's empire (not because he likes rebels, but because enemy of my enemy is my "friend").
     
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    IMHO little can really be done to enhance the standing of the OT, and likewise little can be done to bring it down.

    Unless something really controversial happens in this movie.. I don't see it having a huge impact rather than being accepted as film cannon and giving us new characters to enjoy.
    And there's a good chance something controversial will happen in this film, btw.;)

    And if that's the case we'll have our usual, civil discussion about it::p
     
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    Great post, McDiarmid!

    Action without substance would be shallow and a waste of creative energy.

    This film is an opportunity to do something special.

    I hope they seize the opportunity.

    This is one of the creative possibilities I'm hoping for.

    I believe we need more information about Snoke, and this would be a great way to give us some details.

    Imagine going into Episode VIII with some new insight into this otherwise undefined character.

    It would also demonstrate the interconnectedness of the cinematic saga and the influential power and range of a film at any point in the Star Wars story.

    -- in this case, Rogue One, effectively "Episode 3.5" (i.e. set between Episode III: Revenge of the Sith and Episode IV: A New Hope) potentially affecting Episode VII+ if there's some Snoke about.

    That would be so cool :)


    Imagine if we learn C-3PO either did not have his mind wiped prior to A New Hope, or he had a backup.


    "Oh, yes, that’s very good. I like that...."

    (c-3po)

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    Impact and enhancement... For sure!

    1.Vader on screen doing battle vs the rebels, question is what will he do? I can picture Vader throwing his lightsaber at incoming rebels, using the force to lift up dead bodies and using them as human shields. The stuff we've mostly only seen in video games, and a brief period in the OT where Vader throws his lightsaber at Luke.

    2.Longer Hoth/Endor type battles. Stormtroopers going head to head vs Rebel troopers with blasters etc. Basically a war movie!

    Another question I have is are tiefighters and x-wings doing battle?
     
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    The Potential Promise or Perils of Realism in Rogue One

    One of the things I've heard going around was the push for realism in Rogue One.

    Such realism does appear to be one of the "selling points" of this film, and it seems many people look forward to that, as this is very much described to be a "war film."

    I think that could work both ways:
    • the film employs realism with great effect and enables us to get a more intimate understanding of the combat scenarios the Rebels faced with the Empire.
    • the film goes as realistic as it can and creates a dangerous contrast between itself and all the other films in the saga, which could now, due to Rogue One, look and feel far less realistic.

    Now, this is all space fantasy, this saga, and even a "realistically" portrayed Star Wars film would still be that -- space fantasy -- but, in terms of cinematic consistency, the quality and style of the battles can potentially create such a stark contrast between Rogue One and all the other films surrounding it in the Star Wars timeline.

    Especially if someone watches these films in order: I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII.

    This is one of those things, I think, which has a 50/50 chance of negatively impacting or enhancing the overall saga.

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    I hope you are right and they will not only show a simple straightforward Vader killermachine. At the beginning of Anakins "career" as Sith Lord, Sidious showed terrible Master level in torturing Anakins soul in every possible way. Vader was pure self-hate at the end of ROTS. He himself was convinced that there was no way out anymore, especially after Sidious told him that he murderd Padme. I think Vader hates the emporer as source of his misery even more as himself. It would be great to get some background material about his inner conflicts and also a scene that shows us the tensions between him and his Master.
     
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    that's an interesting take. at the end of ROTS (and i confess it's been years since i saw it), i had the impression that Vader/Anakin had completely given over to Palpatine and accepted his place as the Sith's apprentice without any particular malice for the time being (i mean, does he blame Palps or does he blame himself? he's the one who killed Padme). he seemed pretty settled with it.

    but it would be very interesting to know when he started planning to take on an apprentice of his own and start down that Sithy path ~ and whether Sith are at all conflicted about disposing of their masters (i would think not).
     
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    They hired some of the people who worked on Saving Private Ryan, Black Hawk Down, and Zero Dark Thirty. Three really gritty, Rated-R war films (and quite good ones), which is pretty telling when it comes to the kind of tone/aesthetic that they might be going for here.
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    I'm, intrigued by it just because of how different it sounds from the other films. Not that the other films don't differentiate themselves from one another mind you, but they also have a general "style" and tone to them that this (and the other anthologies for that matter) might not necessarily be beholden to.

    The way I look at it is that these “A Star Wars Story” films are basically part of the new EU. The new EU is now expanding into films, which is something I’ve been dreaming about since I was a kid. As we all know, the EU was never afraid to veer in other directions.
     
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    The Road to misery for Anakin is described in Detail in the ROTS Novel and the Novel also gives insight in Vaders thougts at the end. He literally gives himself up at the end and says something like "..the dark shadow ( Sidious) next to him is the onlyone left..". The End of the Novel gave me the impression that Vader had simply no hope for himself anymore. I think someone who has nothing to loose is the more easy to manipulate at the beginning by focusing him on slaughtering enemies but such a man is dangerous for everybody in front of him also for Sidious himself.

    But as a lot of intelligent people have posted here the focus of RO1 will be another one and will build up a broader range of possibilities for future SW- stories beside the Skywalker Saga.
     
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    Rogue one is Disney's episode 3, they just haven't told anyone yet, and the Han Solo movie is their episode 2. They know they can't remake or(in the eyes of many of the fans) save the PT so they are giving us alternative episodes 1 - 3 instead - everybody wins - it's really very clever.
     
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