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Interesting note re: Kylo/Snoke

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by DarthLuketheWise, Dec 27, 2015.

  1. DarthLuketheWise

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    Watched again tonight and caught on to an interesting side note. It may be nothing or it could be of importance.

    Not once when Ren/Snoke interact do you hear Kylo call him "Master". For example:

    SNOKE: "There has been an awakening.. have you felt it?"
    KYLO: "Yes"

    Although clearly Kylo is being trained by Snoke, at no time does he address him as his master, as apprentice to Master normally would. Like Anakin did to Sideous. Or a padawan to his Jedi Master.

    At the end, Snoke tells Hux to retrieve Kylo so he can complete his training, so clearly they are in a teaching/learning relationship. However at no time, that I noticed, do they address each other as Master/student.

    Just a casual observation.
     
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    Yes I think it's important because Kylo worships Vader as his master it seems.
     
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    Agreed. What Kylo shares with Snoke appears not to be your traditional Sith/Apprentice relationship
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    And that's assuming Snoke is a Sith.. we don't know that for certain
     
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    Kylo tell Han...."No, the Supreme Leader is wise".
     
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    The title Supreme Leader sounds so arrogant that it seems like Snokes over compensating. I'm really hoping he's tiny.
     
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    Well he is Supreme Leader of the First Order.. that's all we know. We also know that Snoke is known to Leia and Han, in some capacity. And if Leia and Han know of him, one can assume Luke does as well. But in what context? If he is not Kylo's "Master" in the traditional sense, what exactly is he?
     
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    Snoke has many possibilities. I just hope it's weird. Make Snoke really weird. The strangest part of the darkness.
     
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    I'm not sure he's the Dark Lord of the Sith we are being led to believe he is... nor Plagieus for that matter. He seems to get more intel from Hux than he does himself, suggesting he's not at all that Force sensitive. Or everything is clouded, as Yoda would say
     
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    Maybe Snoke is an underling of Plagieus
     
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    Doesn't Kylo tells Snoke something like : ''Due to your gracious training, I shall not fail'' when Snoke tells Kylo that he never faced such a test? Even after, when Kylo fails to read Rey with the force, he also tells Snoke that he needs his guidance, suggesting there is a kind of master/apprentice relation between the two.

    If Snoke is indeed Plagueis, perhaps he doesn't want history to repeat itself by having an apprentice assassinate him once his guard is down again, but he makes himself into something more, like a Supreme Leader, kind of like a deity, perhaps he believes people will be too scared to take a shot at him?
     
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    Both Ren and Hux call Snoke "Supreme Leader". Hux and the stromtroopers refer to Kylo simply as "Ren". He doesn't have a honorific predicate such as "Lord" like Vader for example. It looks like social hierarchy within the FO differs from its imperial counterpart.
     
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    I could see something like that happening. Kylo certainly showed (with all the talk of traitors and treason) how devoted he and others are to the First Order, which happens to be led by, of course, the Supreme Leader.

    Discovering how Snoke seduced Ben would be interesting to see, since he seems to have no ambition to overtake him at the moment.
     
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    I noticed that too.. Hux calls him Leader Snoke and they may have been a Supreme Leader in there somewhere but I never heard Master Snoke. I also noticed how Han (I believe it was) told Kylo Snoke only wanted him for his power....which makes me wonder if Snoke is powerful in the force himself or is he just knowledgeable and more like a coach for a football team... he can't do a lot of the stuff himself but is smart enough to guide others.
     
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    That's because I doubt they're associated to any known"order."
     
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    I think it confirms that the Knight of ren are not Sith, but I think Snoke is.
     
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    Just a guess, but I believe the reason Luke went into exile is because Snoke taunted him to the point where Luke lost his composure and went full Dark Side against him. It could explain Snoke's injuries, why Ben got seduced by the Dark Side (imagine he saw Luke casting lightning from his hands) and how Snoke could have seduced every students or padawans into becoming Knights of Ren instead of Jedi.
     
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    lol -If Snoke is smaller than Yoda, I will fall out of my chair.
     
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    We were given such a limited glimpse into the dynamic of their relationship. So Kylo is "the" (or just "a") Master of the 'Knights of Ren' and Snoke wants to complete his training. Whether the following perception is right or wrong, that suggests to me that the KoR are nothing but a tool of Snoke. Whether Snoke is a Sith or not, and nothing says concretely that he is or isn't a Sith, he may consider himself something other than the most senior KoR. I think he's just sporting the title of "Supreme Leader" of the First Order as opposed to being the Supreme Leader of the KoR. It would fit so well for Snoke to be Darth Plagueis, and I would love for that to be true, but I also think that TPTB want to make their own mark with the big baddie. Whatever the case may be I can't wait for Episode VII and for any details to trickle out.
     
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    But if Kylo is the "Master of the Knights of Ren" as Snoke says, doesn't that leave the KoR as a completely separate entity? Snoke is Supreme Leader of the First Order. I really wish we knew more about him lol
     
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    Right! It would be amazing. But only at the very last moment when he's dead is his size revealed. Like some dark mind control to make you think he's large and scary.
     
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