Interesting note re: Kylo/Snoke

I know. It's frustrating as all hell. But then again, a lot of the movie was in regards to the force and what everyone was.

 

Of course he's his master lol
Of course he's powerful in the force lol

He (Ben) practically grovels before his feet on the giant projection.
He (Ben) goes to him for guidance and direction.
He (Snoke) is referred to as wise and supreme leader.
He (S) directs all their actions.
He (S) takes interest in Rey because her force abilities - bring her to me, not kill her - duh, he plans to use her powers.... how if not wise in the force?
He commands Hux to bring Ben to him to complete his training. If not force training, what?
He seduced Ben from the jedi academy.
He had to have been the one teaching Ben his dark powers - not shown, but come on.
He is cognizant of the force awakenings and alert of Jedi uprising.
He makes Hux get concerned that Ben may not be following his orders to the 'T'.



Also, wasn't Kylo called the "leader" of the KOR, not "master"? Regardless, it's clear that even as a leader/master, he hasn't confronted his demons and the light enough and Snoke is not only aware of this but calls him out on it. He does so from a position of power and gnosis, which implies he is coming from a greater place power-wise.






Of course he is at least aware of the force and of course he has some master-apprentice relationship. It's clear he has been making orders, not suggestions (lol, or did you not catch SUPREME LEADER?). He clearly has been training Ben and explicitly states he will finish said training.






IF that's not a 'master' IDK what is.

 

The Supreme Leader is wise. Darth Plagueis was called "The Wise." Snake's theme is very similar to the theme played during the opera scene in ROTS when Palps talks about Plagueis. If he's not Plagueis, then its a HUGE coincidence.

 

for those who think Snoke will be little. I highly doubt they are going to have another YODA MAN / Dooku type battle

If anything Snoke ill be average sixe in order to fight REY.

 

I agree about the size but I kinda hope he doesn't even have a lightsaber.
Emperor called it a jedi weapon and the only canon ( ) jedi master we've ever seen seemed to be above melee weapons too.

 

Just to clear it up, Snoke is the leader of the Knights of Ren.

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As well as the official Database on StarWars.com confirms Snoke as Kylo Ren's master.

 

"I only raised the fact that at no time is he ever addressed as Master. Supreme Leader? Yes. Wise? yes. I'm merely pointing out the fact that it's entirely possible Mr. Snoke (lol) is not all that powerful with the Force himself. There is nothing in the movie that concretely suggests otherwise."

Pretty much the entirety of his role in the film suggest that he is at the very very least force-attuned, not otherwise as you state. More evidence shows that he has great power in the force than is shown otherwise.

""He directs all their actions". How?"

??? How? He point blank tells them what to do. Regardless of where his intel comes from (more on that later), he is the LEADER (of the 'Supreme' variety) that clearly dictates orders. Why else would Hux and Ben be reporting? Where do you think the "bring her to me" and "bring me Ben" and "leave the base" and Hux' warnings about Ben not following orders and destroying BB8 (because he selfishly wants the map) come from?

"As I've pointed out before, he seems to gather most if not all of his intel FROM Hux and Kylo. He wasn't aware of the girl until he was told about her. He wasn't aware of her Force capabilities until Kylo told him so. If he is an all powerful Sith Lord, wouldn't he feel this himself?"

You seem to forget that both the emperor, vader, dooku, and pretty much every sith or sith-like character not only relied on intel but also weren't omniscient. Just because they have dark side powers doesn't mean they are all-knowing about all things. The Emperor seemed to miss Luke and had to be reminded by Vader. Ben was only aware of Han because Han was proximal to him on starkiller base, just like the high-powered Vader with OB1 on the first death star.

""He is cognizant of the Force awakenings and alert of Jedi uprising". This is a great point and I agree. Most of this however stems from his fear of the Resistance finding Luke Skywalker before they do. Meaning he has absolutely no idea where Luke is, no matter how powerful he may or may not be. But he does indeed sense the "awakening", suggesting he is Force sensitive at the very least."

Your admission(s) here seem counter to your assertion that he isn't shown to be force sensitive. Did the all-powerful Emperor Sidious know of Yoda's location? How about the Jedi that escaped Naboo? They required scouts and feet on the ground. He still, like Snoke, sensed vague happenings surrounding key figures in the force. That isn't something that someone with a casual relationship with the force would have. Look no further than TFA itself - Maz isn't so strong in the force, but she's a casual 'user', and she isn't even aware what was in front of her in the girl, Rey. Not until she finds out, accidentally, that Luke's saber is 'calling' to her. Vader, on the other hand, recognized a certain X-wing pilot was strong in the force just from attempting to fire on him from afar. He STILL didn't know who the pilot was, or about his sister.

"Also, we don't truly know this either. When Kylo speaks to Vader's mask he is imploring his grandfather to "once again" show him the power of the darkness. Suggesting he has been meditating on (or with?) Anakin/Vader for some time and he has shown him before. In the "Art of the Force Awakens" book, they show concept art of an Anakin/Vader Force Ghost. I'm not saying this is what happened, he could be completely bonkers. I'm just saying it's entirely possible that Kylo has been learning his dark side power from other sources."

Right, which is why you wrote an entire paragraph about the one thing I concede we haven't been shown - explicitly. Though we have all the pieces. Kylo references his teachings. Leia references Snoke seducing Ben (and I don't think she meant sexually.... she meant through the dark side of the force). Snoke references the trial Ben must undergo to overcome the light. Kylo thinks he can 'crack' Rey with more time and more direction/teaching from Snoke. Snoke wants Rey because she is a force-user. Snoke point blank says he will finish Ben's training. Whether he started it or not, and it's heavily implied he did as far as the dark side goes, he is at the very least competent enough to FINISH it. So, as much promise and power as RenBen has shown using dark side abilities, he is yet unfinished and not as powerful as he can be after his training with Snoke. Even Han says as much when he references Snoke using his power for his own. This is the EXACT same relationship as Sidious and Anakin, or Sidious and his hopeful use of Luke. Dark side practitioners (particularly Sith) want strong apprentices. This doesn't make them weak or useless in the force.

"I also think this is a significant point. Kylo shows Snoke his due respect but there are times he is completely on his own agenda. With respect to BB-8 and the girl especially. He didn't say "join us", as Vader did to Luke. He said that he would teach her the ways of the Force. And if he himself is still learning from Snoke, how could he?"

Because Vader has been shown to have his own agenda as well. Not to mention, often those agendas that seem counter to their master's wishes are in reality scams to seduce someone to the dark side. Vader point blank says in front of Sidious that Luke should join him and overthrow the Emperor. Of course he either means that (if they were indeed strong enough and we'd have 2 new Sith) or he doesn't and it was just a ploy for him and the Emperor to use Luke. Also, Snoke specifically asks for Rey. In the hierarchy, Kylo has plenty to teach Rey while Snoke clearly has even more to teach both of them. This isn't difficult - Kylo isn't done yet, but he's still very obviously more accomplished than someone like Rey, or someone off the street for that matter (particularly in dark side abilities). This just in: sometimes the master and the apprentice disagree or have different agendas. As the movie shows, Kylo is still being pulled to the light. That is the main reason he is incomplete in the dark and obviously his source of conflict with his master's wishes - and his master even knows this and says as much.

 

So yer sayin there's a chance we're going to meet Darth Ant-Man?

 

Why would it not be accurate? The only other potential Snoke height they could be referring to is the height of the hologram, which is much taller than 7 feet.

 

Hm, yes actually I guess it is somewhat like the Father-Son relationship he apparently wanted with Han... interested to see how that came about, I mean why he feels disappointed with Han.

In the attempt to seduce Rey though, for some reason my mind never went to a desire to overthrow of Snoke for some reason. Perhaps because of the way he seems to be a father figure to Ren, the father he wanted, and as such Ren has a pretty strong devotion to him.

 

It would be a cool twist if we find out Snoke is actually a Sith apprentice, and we haven't seen his master yet. That Kylo Ren was just a side project for him.

 

I think its because the Ren are not the Sith. I hope they are taking SW into other areas of the force. It would be cool.

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No, we had to see Luke alive after Han's death. I think fandom needed to have a the payoff of seeing the big 3 again.

 

He didn't develop the final CGI character.

The movie also wasn't finished being made when the interview took place.

Lastly, Snoke is portrayed as a giant on screen for a reason. Why make him look 30 feet tall if he's already a large 7ft tall man? That's like taking a dude that drives an Escalade and having him drive a Hummer. There's not much more emphasis on his deuchey-ness.

 

Palpatine is also portrayed as a giant in ESB...

 

His head is.

 

So the rest of his body is regular-sized?

 

It's just not shown.

 

...So he's meant to appear to be a giant.