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SPECULATION Jar Jar was a trained force user (reddit theory)

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by skysamfreeman, Nov 1, 2015.

  1. skysamfreeman

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    Lol! I just posted the same thing in the Snoke page hahaha! Yeah, it was a great read and a pretty interesting theory. It'd make the Phantom Menace seem scarier in hindsight. The biggest flaws I see though are the fact that The Clone Wars series gave Jar Jar a slightly different arc IIRC (to be honest, I actually skipped most of the episodes he was in...) and the fact that JJ LOATHES Jar Jar. That being said, it'd connect all three trilogies together in a freaky awesome way and be some pretty cool retconning. Quick question - if Jar Jar was trained, would we assume it was the Knights of Ren? Sidious isn't known for letting other Force Groups live and/or interfere with his plans. If so, that could explain why the KoR aren't "seen" in the PT. They were acting behind the scenes while they let the Sith take charge.
     
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    I think what would be great is if there was a comic series based around this theory. Only like 5 issues or so. But it would make the prequels somewhat better in hindsight. At least TPM anyway. Speaking of The Clone Wars, people in the comments were talking about some of the episodes he was in and how it's very possible that he had some kind of force sensitive influence on them. I haven't gotten too far in the series yet but I'm definitely gonna keep an eye out now when he shows up.
     
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    More than once George Lucas took inspiration from other science fiction works.

    Quite possible that he brought Jar Jar Binks in as the "Mule", the antagonist from Asimov's Foundation Trilogy.

    Doesn't sound like a coincidence to me and would be an interesting way to retcon the character.
     
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    Jar Jar has the force & look what he does with it.
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    I read the whole thing last night. It amazes me how people fall over themselves in order to join in the chorus without thinking critically. The triumph of mass hypnosis. It would be the ultimate middle finger to PT detractors so the PT fanboy(s) cling to it like a raft in a stormy sea.

    Unfortunately, they will have to continue to live blissfully in their delusion because every piece of "evidence" is wishful thinking, breaking the story to make it fit their chosen doctrine and thereby "making it come true".

    It's not unlike religiosity in that sense
     
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    While the first part of the unorthodox theory (linked in the first post of this thread) may look like wishful thinking, further down in the comments section was one that added quite some substance:

    "Just to add a bit to the theory: Lucas almost always draws on other sources (like any good storyteller) to form his world. So can we find inspiration for the character of Jar Jar Binks in the way that you describe? Absolutely.


    1) This has already been mentioned by several others, but if Jar Jar is simply playing the fool as a means to the insidious ends of bringing about the fall of the Republic, destroying the Order of the Jedi, and establishing a galactic empire, then his character would almost mirror that of The Mule from Isaac Asimov's foundation. Powerful telepathic mutant who played the fool but mind controlled and manipulated others to get his way, worked mostly in the background and through politics, and managed to bring about the destruction of the complacent First Foundation on Terminus and establish an empire spanning a third of the galaxy. The correlations are painfully obvious if Jar Jar is, in fact, maliciously manipulative.


    2) The name could perhaps provide some clue. Lucas is often not particularly subtle with his naming choices while still not making them seem unnatural. Skywalker, Solo, Darth Vader, etc. So can the very name Jar Jar Binks help solidify this theory?


    Let's take them in order. Jar can mean a number of things. From Merriam-Webster.com, "to have a harsh or unpleasant effect on someone or something", "to hit or shake something forcefully", "to make someone feel uneasy". A couple of secondary meanings given are "an unsettling shock", "an unpleasant break or conflict in rhythm, flow, or transition".


    Now for Binks. My best guess is that Lucas was drawing on another already existing source as his inspiration for Binks. The popular fantasy world of Xanth, created by Piers Anthony and with its first book published in 1977. The main character of the first two books and a recurring character through other books in the series is...Bink. Copy/Pasted from Wikipedia, here is Bink's description.


    Bink is the Magician of Magical Invulnerability and the main character in the first two novels of the Xanth series, A Spell for Chameleon and The Source of Magic. He is the son of Roland of the High Council and Bianca. He serves as king pro-tem during Trent's reign.


    Bink is banished for not possessing a magic talent when, in fact, he does possess magical ability. Bink's magic does not want to be known because, if it were, those of non-magical means would injure Bink and his family, with the magic being indirectly responsible. Hence, in order to keep itself hidden, Bink's magic works in quiet ways, by seeming coincidence, and very few people know of it. For example, it causes an invisible giant to walk by just as Bink was to reveal his magic whilst under a truth spell. Furthermore, Bink's magic protects him, making him seem an unusually lucky man.


    So, Jar Jar Binks. With the above information, his name seems like it could actually help inform what George wanted from the character. And based on this information, if Bink is in fact the source for Jar Jar Binks' last name, then it implies a hidden magic user who appears to be just ridiculously lucky but is in fact just keeping his true nature on the down low. And the two Jars are perhaps to tell us that he will cause a dual jarring: one in the Star Wars universe when he destroys the Jedi Order and dismantles the Republic, the other in the movie audience when his true nature is finally revealed."


    I just reread the Lucas biography Skywalking and it clearly states that he read Asimov and probably took a lot of inspiration from the Foundation Trilogy (read it myself many years ago, much recommended).

    Add to this this Lucas statement from many years ago that he planned to have a PT character return in "his" sequel trilogy. I'm not saying Binks would have been the ultimate antagonist, but the thought he could have been its right hand "man" doesn't look completely farfetched, once we also consider the above mentioned information.
     
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    Okay, I just had my chance to be exposed to this theory:


    It's.. got some legs. But it does violate the "Rule of Two" pigeonhole Lucas threw himself in. Still, I'm starting to buy some stock.. especially after seeing those lips move.:eek:

    I would definitely agree with this theory at the 10:20 mark.. Lucas did say:

    And development of the AotC script is still a black hole of secrecy. Not to mention the film itself was a complete cluster%$@&. And yes, Dooku does feel shoehorned in.
    The thing is that even if the PT was supposed to develop differently (and I certainly believe it was) that in and of itself opens the window to just about any possibility.

    I do disagree with Jar Jar being Snoke, though. Simply because Disney's going with their own characters wherever they can.. even if they're blatant knock-offs of older characters.

    Case in point:
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    "When 1000 years old you get, look this good, you will not."

    Also recall that LFL tore up the very treatments Lucas had Arndt write to sell LFL to Bob Iger. The claim was that those treatments involved characters that were "too young." Maybe that was codespeak for Jar Jar; a reference to his target audience.:p

    Part of me is staggered that it took 15 years for this theory to come about. But then again, it took ten years for a theory that made the ending of RotS make sense to come about; and that film is a lot more palatable to many than TPM.:oops:
     
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    What was that ROTS theory ending?
     
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    And that whole theory stands or rather, falls, with the introduction of midichlorians.

    Also, the whole Jar Jar Theory requires such an enormous amount of assumption, and it's trying to much to fix bad movie-making by introducing a deeper layer, where there is none.

    We see all these theories how George could've, and would've drawn from "great inspirational stories" and have an underlying dark (phantom) menace in the movie... but in reality it's sometimes really as simple as it looks

    https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/236oks
    So, do we have a Drunken Master style Kung fu expert, which only backup is him preparing to dive where for a fraction of a second it looks like he's "centering" himself (with the force) .. or is it really just as stupid as it looks. A slapstick, a comedic character, the same one George continues to talk about how he wants to introduce that comedic character into the world.

    edit: Yeah, it's Kung fu and not wu shu, wu shu is the communist Chinese term to martial arts as Kung Fu is too much of a religion and not endorsed by the central government.
     
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    Vague statements without any evidence whatsoever to back it up. From an account two days old.

    Oh my lulz, I smell a troll. Go back to Youtube.:p

    Ignored.(epic fail)
     
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    Yes, account creation date is actually a form of validation over here. Dude, I was there before TPM with all the SuperShadow hype.
     
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