Kylo's Mum

Well, Kylo seems to consider killing his dad as a form of mercy in his twisted mind. I wonder how he'd view his mother's death.

 

Do you really think so? I never saw Kylo killing Han as an act of mercy as the movie leads us to see that Han was a weakness that Kylo still carried and one that he had to get rid of if he wanted to embrace the Dark Side. I see it more as a selfish act on Kylo's part than as an act of mercy towards his father.

 

Han Solo was never truly ready for parenthood and as a result wasn't the best father in the galaxy. The fact that Han returned to smuggling after his son betrayed him would have been viewed as a further sign of his dad's weakness by Kylo. When Han Solo greeted Ben on the bridge, it most likely felt forced and unnatural, convincing Ren that he could never change despite what he said.

 

But if we follow that line of thought them we would have to agree that Kylo Ren saw everybody he knew as weak. Leia gave him up, Luke didn't understand him, Chewie didn't do squat as he was given away ect. Every single person that loved Kylo would be seen as weak in his eyes as he could always find fault in them as an excuse to justify himself. That plus the fact that TFA leads us to think that Han went back to his smuggling days because he couldn't cope with loosing his son to the Dark Side and not before that so the only thing that Ren would really have to say was that his parents gave him over to Luke and nothing more as there is nothing in the movie that would lead us to think that Han and Leia were ever bad parents. Look at the conflict that Kylo Ren has before killing Han. Would he have felt that way if Han had been a jerk towards him? Kylo would have just beheaded him and walked away without a thought but it was because of Han being a good father that Kylo had the conflict.

 

I agree with you. The main reason why Han acted the way he did was indeed because of loosing his son to Snoke as Leia said so herself.

 

i gotta agree with @Merman as well.

the reason Ren breaks down on the bridge is because his father has actually come for him.
not in anger, but with love.
it's probably the thing he's always wanted, but in his own words, it's just too late (he thinks so, anyway, because he's incapable of seeing beyond Snoke's directives).

 

As much as he dislikes him, he's still his father at the end of the day, and they probably have some good memories from when he was younger.

 

Part of me wishes they had kept that brief scene of Kylo on the Falcon. It's a very poignant moment that reinforces the fact that Kylo's feelings towards his father are very conflicted, and that part of him wishes he could undo what he's done. Of course, he commits himself to the Dark Side fully when he kills Han. That was as much a psychological bridge-burning as it was a literal one.

 

he doesn't look all that committed to me. and if any part of the bridge was burned, i have no doubt Leia will rebuild it.

i think he wants to be committed, but you can even see how, in the final fight, he plays up 100% Dark with Finn, but once he's engaged with Rey, he just gets all sloppy and distracted and decidedly not Dark again.

we don't know what his relationship with his mother is at this point, but if his feelings run as deep or deeper with her than Han, then she can definitely bring him back.

 

True. He really took Finn's betrayal personally- probably because it was a sign that somebody really can reject evil, and he viewed Finn as a symbol of temptation to the Light. Whereas he doesn't have that problem with Rey. Perhaps because Rey reminds him of Leia?

 

he seems attracted and repulsed by Finn, definitely. Finn embodies a victory between the Dark and Light.
i just don't see Ren winning that fight one way or the other so easily.
killing his father has likely made it worse, not better (and i suspect that was Snoke's plan all along).

 

Sounds like a nod to the "Palpatine killed Padmé to save Vader" theory that has been floating around for years. It would be nice to see that get employed in one form or another.

 

You may be right, but the mere fact that Kylo killed Han set off a chain of events and the person he hurt the most is his mother.

This may be the reason Leia is incapacitated. Maybe she gets captured on purpose to confront Snoke and causes Kylo to make a choice. Yes, it would mirror ROTJ a little.

 

Well part of his loss/gain is entirely Lei'a fault when it comes down to it with a does of the dark side combined .

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He never did...he just saw it in the future through the force and didn't do anything to alter it..

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WHAT IF --- he did it to hurt is mom on purpose because he blames her for everything

 

Kylo's mum, well that's a meeting I'm looking forward to, I can't see Kylo saying ''hello mother'' anytime soon.

 

Man oh man. I won't lie, if there's anyone charcter who can play a key part in his storyline (redemption, death, fall) is Leia. I can see a pattern of sorts: In each movie, Kylo Ren faces one person from the OT whom he has hurt the most.

In the first movie, he faced his father and he killed him. We know that Han took Kylo in rides with the Falcon, so they were close.

In the second movie, he'll face his uncle, whom he betrayed and killed his students. Trusting the spoilers, Luke isn't going to be so kind towards him; Luke's got a big heart, but he's not a fool. He won't forgive Kylo anytime soon. So, I don't see Kylo killing him, but definitely these two won't have a truce.

And in the third, it's the big one: his mother. The only one who still believes there's still a chance for him. And I think that this is where Kylo will break and won't be able to go through with it and hurt his mother, even though I truly think he'd go with the intention to do it. The big question is whether he'll feel it a failure or as a wake up call. His response will decide whether he'll die a villain or live long enough to try and atone for something.

 

and, i would add: who has hurt him the most.
Han feels like the most clueless and least culpable in his pain.
Luke possibly second (we have so little info yet).
and Leia likely takes the brunt of his anger; she's his mother, she's Force-sensitive so she "should" have been able to understand him, and it was her decision to keep the truth from him.

do we really know this? not sure we do. Leia says Han wasn't exactly patient and Han seems to have written him off in TFA.
and we have no idea whether they took rides anywhere.

i can't wait for them to show us these bodies so i can stop telling people we have no evidence of killing any students yet.

since i've seen these spoilers, i can say with confidence that we still have no idea what Luke thinks of Ren Ben.

never can tell. past actions and evidence, though, points to the contrary.
Luke forgave a father he never really knew and who had done far worse things over his lifetime.
Luke has deliberately avoided engaging Kylo Ren even though he could almost certainly beat him in a fight.

maybe. maybe not. uneasy alliances seem to be the theme of Johnson's inspirations.

all true. we have no idea what the relationship is between these two. it could make or break him.

 

Something she might not have done consciously, perhaps she wanted to leave the past aside and pursuing her Force abilities was something that meant she was OK with being Vader's daughter. However, she refused to have that in common with her child - something we don't know a lot of, during Ben early years - and that at the eyes of Kylo Ren, might be a utter rejection of her towards him.

In my headcanon it happens LOL. Hope Ben had a normal childhood and he started having trouble getting into his teens.

 

oh absolutely! i don't think she intentionally screwed him up at all. she was doing the best she could--probably under very conflicted and difficult circumstances.
even sending him to Luke seemed like a good idea at the time, but reflecting back on it she knows it was a mistake.

i hope so too! i hope the memories he has of the Falcon are bittersweet at least, and not excruciating for other reasons.