Let's talk Canto Bight

This is the funniest thing I've heard all this year.

 

This comment made me think - the only non-politicians that are rich in SW are either criminals (like Hutts) or people that are in full support of war effort (the Banking Clan, Trade Federation, Count Dooku, etc.) The only exception to that rule is Lando and Maz (she owns her own castle, or at least used to.) Well, in that regard TLJ doesn't stray at all from what's established in previous SW films.

 

My only criticism was Canto’s designs and colors. Too brightly lit. Felt cheesy. But the purpose of them going there and what not was fine to me. If they added a more smokey atmosphere and some dirt I would’ve liked it more. The race horse designs I’m not into either. A lot of it felt like an after thought design wise.

 

I think the Monday morning Quarterbacking of who they should have rescued are really missing the point.
1- They rescue no one. They flee and the Falthier stampede is how they escape.
2- The mission is getting the Resistance to safety to continue the fight in hopes that they can free the galaxy.

@RoyleRancor hit the nail on the head if there is a problem with Canto Bight its too much like Monte Carlo. Right down to the tuxedos and opera dresses

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Walter O'Brien. + you guys are extremely thick headed. Casino looks like Monaco, ON PURPOSE

 

Last time I was in Monaco I learned that:

s) my hand fits into Chuck Norris' hand imprint in the concrete very nicely ( yes I know this is very exciting and relevant trivia - or was in 2007 anyway)
n) this enables me to discern that this guy has small hands (not really off topic because most visitors of Canto Bight had hands of varying sizes)
o) its nice having a parking lot inside a cave under a mountain next to cliffs right over the ocean ( better than parking on the beach imho )
k) when everyone has a yacht having a yacht really doesn't do much in terms of impressing people
e) roads build in medieval times to the principle of "I DUNNO LOL" make for really fun motorsport events
l) Monaco really does look a lot like Dubrovnik
i) Monaco can't fit much more than one ISD into its landmass
v) Monaco has slightly more citizens than half the crew of a Resurgent-class battlecruiser
e) prison population peaked in 2014 with a wooping 41 inmates (mostly illegal parking)
s) when you accidentally on purpose stick random pins on a map of Monaco the connected dots spell out "Canto Bight"

 

Great theme.
Despite not being the best and the more catchy soundtrack from Williams, and Canto Bight fitting not so well in the story, I absolutely loved this theme, with this classic Jazz mood, remembering the Cantina theme. It keeps fresh the scene. The chase one was also pointless but thanks to Williams the scene is better with the brilliant The Fathiers theme. Definetly Williams improve the quality of Canto Bight.
The magic of Williams music.

 

I can't wait to see broom boy cosplay

 

This.

Again, the problem here is that too many people are watching this as nostalgic grown adults, forgetting what their pubescent self would've thought 30 years ago. When "we" watch the Canto Bight stuff now we feel weird about it. "This isn't Star Wars!". "This is weird and silly!". And we take these emotions and add them up to mean we don't like it. For kids and young people, without 30 years of head canon and nostalgia, this new weird and wacky adventure, is fantastic. But more importantly, they correctly interpret the weirdness and not-so-nice characters in a pure way - the way, they were intended. Instead of thinking "this isn't Star Wars", they're involved and thinking "these aren't nice people", "this is a horrible world", "these people don't care about other life, just money". They get the point. Where as, the 40yr old+ adults who think their childhood's are being destroyed are deriding the lack of plot.

Star Wars is a mythological, fantasy story. The plots have always been pretty much paper thin. It's the messages that matter. These are moral lessons for a new generation of kids - packaged in an entertaining way. As such, the moral messages being presented in the Canto Bight scenes, are very important to the whole story of the ST. It's the story they want to tell - just like how Lucas wrapped up the PT in politics.

So yeah, for me I didn't enjoy the Canto Bight stuff all that much (though I liked the fathier story, Broom boy, the music and some of the shots were stunning. I also liked DJ for what it's worth). But I didn't mind not loving it as:

1. I loved everything else.
2. I understood the message and how it is important for kids - THE TARGET AUDIENCE

Finally, just look at these scenes through the eyes of a child:

1. Funny aliens.
2. BB8 doing funny things.
3. Space horse racing.
4. Kids saving the day.
5. An exciting escape.
6. The adults getting blasted to oblivion.

My pre-pubescent self would've loved it.

 

I loved the Canto Bight scenes.

And not just for the what it gave us in the Finn's character development, and a quirky, yet cool character in DJ, but that it also gave us another example of Poe's failure as a leader. He sends Finn and Rose on this ridiculous mission, where they ended up being jailed and almost didn't make it back alive. If Poe had never sent Rose and Finn on that mission (Holdo was right to be furious once she found out), DJ would never had overheard Poe talking to Finn about the escape shuttle plans, and FInn and Rose would never had gone to the Supremacy and gotten captured, resulting in DJ betraying them with the information he overheard about the escape plan to Crait. The entire final act where we see the Resistance get nearly wiped out, was all because of Poe's plan that sent Rose and Finn to Canto Bight.

Canto Bight may not have been not everyone's cup of tea, but it's played a huge part in demonstrating Poe's failures and eventual character development in the end.

 

I think it would have been better to just cut Canto Bight and Rose and Holdo all together. Have Poe and Finn sneak onto the big ship together. They still don't succeed, and maybe Rey actually saves them (not Super Droid) after escaping Snoke and Kylo. Poe still gets to learn a lesson about not beign Captain Kirk (maybe he gets an arm chopped off by Axe Trooper), Finn and Phasma still get to fight after some hunting and hiding, Finn and Rey have an interesting and climactic reunion. Chewie swings in to pick them up in the hanger on the Falcon. Leia does the kamikaze, giving a little more weight to the loss and lesson. And then end the movie with the escape. just cut the entire Crait sequence and maybe use that as the opener to EPIX.

I just didn't enjoy any bit of the Canto Bight stuff, myself. I'd rather see Finn interacting with Rey, Poe, and Kylo than this new character. In my opinion, they are wasting an interesting character and a good actor.

...IMO

 

Well that's what a lot of people consider Canto Bight (and TLJ as a whole) to be. Just an opinion in response to your original question "What would have been better". Also no offence.

 

I don't know. I've seen quite a bit of criticism on it. But some people like it, some don't I guess.

I was thinking that anything Holdo did would just be done by Leia, instead of just being in a coma and standing around most of the movie.
I get that there is some kind of character development going on there. I just didn't care for it.
Yeah they would then need to sideline Luke a bit more and make him less of a jerk and save his sacrifice for EPIX.
(also if you wouldn't mind, maybe expound on your last point about Luke. I'm trying to remember/place the things that Luke said/did that would necessitate the Crait sequence.)
Also sorry for derailing. I know this is supposed to be about Canto Bight!

 

Not much to complain about Canto Bight. One or two scenes maybe but overall I think the planet and the events there worked pretty good for the story.
Someone pointed out that all Canto Bight story was to show how Poe's failed as a leader sending Finn and Rose in that mission. It was an excelent vision that I didnt notice when I saw the movie.

Also there are a lot cool scenes. Favorites:
- The very first shot is amazing. Two aliens celebrating in the boat, with the waterfalls down there. Cheers!
- The guy complainning about the parking: "This beach its private!!!" Love that.
- Finn amazed with the casino.
- Cool creatures. Too many to look at.
- The Casino music, an homage to the Cantina Mos Eysle?
- The real codebraker and the 40's style, music include.
- The Canto Bight Police, like the visuals inspired by Mcquarries drawings.
- Dont Join character, like this character and his lifestyle. Made Finn wondering about the war.
- The fathiers look beatiful specially the animatronics.
- I loved the kids, and of course the last scene of the movie. Cool message.

Maybe the pacing in some scenes and the difference in the visuals if you compare to the rest of the movie are things that people disliked. But to me was not a big problem at all.

PS. Same post in another Canto Bight thread. Just changed a few things.

 

I did not enjoy Canto Bight all that much, even though I agree there is much to entertain here: The visual effects are fantastic, the creatures, fun and the chasing, exciting. But for me the story really takes a deep here, even though I realise that it has a function in the narrative.


For me the main problem is the way Rose’s character is written here. As many people have already said, it is a problem of telling instead of showing. Rose reveals her life and morals in a clumsy monologue addressed to Finn, which just feels lame and preachy. Instead, RJ could have created an action scene in which Rose convinces skeptical Finn to deviate from their mission and help out a slave child on the run (maybe to reach some kind of underground sanctuary in the planet?). Rose’s past would have then arisen in a more natural way, making her character come across better perhaps. And no animal rights, please… Let’s deal with one injustice at a time. More effective.

 

when i saw canto bight "look, this is the taste of the terror that rian johnson will unleash on fans over the trilogy he is making"