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SPOILER MSW's Rumor and Speculation Thread (Part 2)

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Viral Hide, Apr 7, 2015.

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    OK guys, let's start it clean now and keep it tidy. Everyone made their points. This thread is only for discussing content, and not personalities. Flaming comments will be removed without warning.

    Here's link to PART 1.

    Enjoy!
     
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    MSW SW:TFA Shooting Outline Compilation Post

    This is after MakingStarWars said he was looking to acquire
    Beware of fan-fiction authors that use this information to pose as insiders or connected people.

    ========================================================================

    Fan site articles about Star Wars: The Force Awakens (with my rough attempt at in-onscreen movie chronology):

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS OPENING SEQUENCES! THE OPENING OF AN ADVENTURE!

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: THE VILLAGE PEOPLE!


    FRIDAY BONUS REPORT: STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS’ GREAT ESCAPE!

    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: Sand Planet (Abu Dhabi)

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: MEET YOUR HERO REY AND THE BIG IMAX SEQUENCE!


    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS AND THE MYSTERY OF POE’S CLOTHES!


    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: KYLO REN’S SITH LORD ROOMMATE.

    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: Gigantic Freighter (Pinewood Stage)

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: THE GIGANTIC FREIGHTER AND WHAT HAPPENS THERE!

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS & A COCKPIT OF HEROES FOR THE GREEN WORLD!

    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: Rose’s Pub (exteriors at Puzzlewood)

    FLASHBACK! WHAT LUKE, REY, AND REN APPEARED TO BE UP TO BEFORE STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS! / Additional: RUMOR: IS ROBERT BOULTER PLAYING A YOUNG LUKE SKYWALKER IN STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS?

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: MAISIE RICHARDSON-SELLERS CHARACTER’S NAME? PLUS THE SPOILERS & SIGNIFICANCE!

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: ALL ABOUT LEIA & THE ULTIMATE WEAPONS!

    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: Rebel Base (exteriors at Greenham Common)

    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: The Evil Castle (snow locations at Pinewood)


    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: THE BATTLE IN THE SKY & THE STARS!

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: SPEEDER BIKES, CUT BITS, AND STORMTROOPERS.

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: HUGE SPOILER: THE DEATH OF A GREAT AND WHO DOES IT!

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS AND THE END OF VILLAINY!? OR THE START OF IT?


    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: Rebel Base (exteriors at Greenham Common)

    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS’ HUGE SPOILERS ABOUT LUKE SKYWALKER’S INVOLVEMENT!

    (falcon) MILLENNIUM FALCON LOCATION: ??? (Skellig Michael)

    ========================================================================

    Other reading
    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS: IS ______ THE FATHER?
    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS REBEL NAMES! IT’S A TRAP?
    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS FIRST TEASER DECODED SHOT FOR SHOT!
    INFORMED SPECULATION: POE DAMERON’S X-WING IN STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS!
    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS AND THE MYSTERY OF “FAT CAT!”

    Fan site podcasts covering many of the same articles
    EPISODE 67! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET’S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (February 22, 2015)
    EPISODE 68! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET’S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (March 1, 2015)
    EPISODE 69! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET’S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (March 9, 2015)
    EPISODE 70! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET’S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (March 16, 2015)
    EPISODE 71! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET'S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (March 23, 2015)
    EPISODE 72! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET'S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (March 30, 2015)
    EPISODE 72! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET'S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (April 6, 2015)
    EPISODE 73! MAKINGSTARWARS.NET'S NOW, THIS IS PODCASTING! (April 13, 2015)

    Deciphered character names or code names from documentation (results may change pending further review)
    STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS’ COMPLETE CHARACTER LIST!

    [Young] Original Warrior" = Young Luke (Robert Boulter*) / Luke (Mark Hamill)
    "Jedi Killer" = Kylo Ren (Adam Driver)
    "Rose" = (Lupita Nyong'o)
    "General" = (Domhnall Gleeson)
    "Vicar" = (Max von Sydow)
    "Emissary" = Korr Sella (Maisie Richardson-Sellers)

    * rumored

    Photo of "OW" (Original Warrior) and "K" (Kira) on the tag board for the Skellig Michael filming listed under CAST.
     
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    So can anyone clarify for me, does Finn throw up inside of his helmet? And is Poe dressed like Lando before or after Finn steals his clothes?

    Also how does Finn go from Stormtrooper to dueling Kylo Ren without any Jedi training? And why is Han just standing there cheering him on/goading him to do it, does his back go out or something?
     
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    The whole idea of Anakin's skull or at least part of it just seems ridiculous to me (as reported via SWU, corroborating at least some of MSW's info). I agree with the idea that it would have disappeared when he became a Force ghost. Also, the idea of the skull seems to serve no purpose. This is a Disney movie. While it will surely have some dark moments, I can't see them needlessly adding the skull to it. The mask serves a symbolic and relevant storytelling purpose ... skull not so much. It also further muddles the whole Force ghost canon parameters.
     
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    Let us hope so, but to be honest both ways are a great way to introduce a character;).

    Take a look at recent disney movies, they have really zero problem with hanging kids.
     
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    As far as canon is concerned, Qui-Gon is the first to do this, and he passes the training onto Yoda and Obi-Wan.

    We can safely assume from that, since Qui-Gon does not disappear when he dies, that disappearing has nothing to do with becoming a force ghost.

    Also Anakin is definitely burned on a pyre as well, and Qui-Gon never taught him the trick but he comes back as a ghost anyways.

    So the real problem was trying to explain it in the first place, since it was already inconsistent.

    And seriously? Just because Disney owns Lucasfilm does not mean these are all going to be super mellowed out 4 quadrant, g rated family films. A skull is definitely not the worst thing they could throw in there. Certainly not anything heavier than we'd expect from saaaay Pirates of the Caribbean.

    I wouldn't expect them to do anything more graphic than we've previously seen in a Star Wars film though, but I wouldn't be shocked if TFA gets a pg-13 rating.
     
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    Yes, but per canon ... at least what we've seen so far, Qui-Gon only became a disembodied voice. He mentioned that his training wasn't complete at the time. However he did appear during the Mortis Arc. Perhaps Jinn eventually is able to join Yoda, Obi-Wan and Anakin in the Force ghost brotherhood.
     
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    Umm, Qui-Gon teaches Yoda and Obi-Wan how to do it. This is covered explicitly in episode 3, there was also a scene planned where Yoda and Qui-Gon have a conversation aboard the Tantive IV and he explains how his connection with the living force allowed him to do it, and Yoda then accepts Qui-Gon as his master, who tells him to go to Dagobah. It was never filmed but the dialogue can be found on YouTube as a part of a restored scene.

    Also I was obviously in the middle of editing that post.

    It was a mess from the beginning because Anakin doesn't even disappear when he dies, and it's an even bigger mess now that it's actually been established that Qui-Gon Jinn is the first to discover the path to immortality and return from the netherworld.

    The problem was trying to explain it in the first place, whatever though it's such a minor point overall, I'm sure few outside of the nerds in cyberspace bringing this up will even care. This is the last thing they need to worry about getting exactly right.
     
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    I just hope that they dont find a cell in that bone to clone him, death should mean something in this universe, they were thinking about bringing back Obi Wan, too. Thankfully they scrapped the idea.

    MCU may keep the multiple death cheats in their universe.
     
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    I think if it's even a scene they filmed, it's solely for the visual. I'd expect something more than ash to be there, he didn't disappear and he was burned on a pyre not cremated so it's reasonable that some bones would there.
     
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    I'm not sure if there's actually any disagreement here. Yoda did become Qui-Gon's apprentice. However, during the Clone Wars series, he explains to Yoda that his training was incomplete. He sends Yoda on a quest. This is where Yoda encounters the Force planet and Force priestesses.

    I agree with you that it makes sense that Qui-Gon has also achieved this. We just haven't actually seen him as a Force Ghost. The deleted scene is no different than in TCW. Qui-Gon only communicates as a voice. He could show up later as a Force ghost later, just as Obi-Wan first communicated to Luke via voice in the head, before later appearing as a Force ghost.

    Also, perhaps Qui-Gon's body disappeared once he achieved full immersion with the Force. We'll just have to ask Kylo Ren to dig it up to be sure.
     
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    Yes, he throws up inside his helmet while boarding the carrier (seen in the trailer--he's the short stormtrooper).
    Poe is dressed like Finn AFTER stealing his clothes....this is a set photo of Poe before he steals the black x-wing (he's in disguise):
    [​IMG]

    Finn receives Jedi training at the pub from puppet Lupita, who is not a Jedi but has Jedi-like powers.
    And Han is dead for most of the movie.
     
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    I'm still wondering if there will be footage exclusively shown to Celebration attendees in addition to the trailer.
     
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    I'm excited to see characters make mistakes in this movie. From the myriad of articles posted there seems to be a lot of flawed characters that can grow across these three films and that can only be a good thing.
     
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    My favorite scenes from SW are characters making mistakes:
    [​IMG]
     
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    Yoda and Obi-Wan disappeared at their deaths but Qui-Gonn and Anakin did not. Anakin died on the Death Star remember? We watched him die and he didn't disappear. It's a glaring inconsistency in the Saga but could be easily explained with Qui-Gonn and Anakin achieving the necessary enlightenment after they died, whereas Obi-Wan and Yoda were already prepared.
     
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    That's smart. Good thinking. I smell a new editorial on the way ;)
     
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    I suppose Viral and I will discuss it haha
     
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    In the ROTS Novel, the life after death thing isn't just mentioned, Yoda and Qui-Gon actually have
    an "otherworldly" conversation about it all. At the end of the talk is when Yoda calls Qui-Gon Jinn
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    Fascinating stuff really.
     
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