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SPOILER New reports on opening scene

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by Bluestreaking, Dec 3, 2014.

  1. Bluestreaking

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    Sorry if this was reported somewhere already, I checked and didn't find anything on it so here it goes. Feel free to merge me if it is being discussed mods. I saw it mentioned on the general rumor thread

    MSW reported on it but I'll post the original source

    starwarsfans.wikia.com/wiki/User_blog:Brandon_Rhea/Oscar_Isaac%27s_Role_in_the_Opening_of_The_Force_Awakens

    It has been reported that Ridley is going to tow Isaacs xwing with our space pigs. This is from a series of events where Boyega is captured for desertion and thrown into the brig where he meets a shot down rebel pilot played by Isaac, and Ridley has to help bail them out.

    I did a very poor job of paraphrasing so I recommend you read it from the source
     
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    Read it. It stated that the film opens with a severed robotic hand clutching a familiar lightsaber floating through space.
    If true this will need a lot of explaining: whose robotic hand is this? When Luke lost his blue lightsaber on Bespin the hand that got cut of was very much not a robotic one. How did the lightsaber end up floating through space? Did it just fly through Bespin's atmosphere of it's own will?

    The pig towing stuff sounds cool! Classic Star Wars surrealism.
     
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    It might not be Luke's lightsabre, and the hand may belong to the entirely bionic arm attached to a villain?
     
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    Hmmm. Vader's, right? Could tie in to the all the Sith artefact seeking we've been reading about.
    Still, how it survived the end of episode 6 remains a mystery.
     
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    and THIS, my friends, is what a legitimate leak sounds like. Not relying on rehashing stuff everyone has already heard, NEW concepts that shake up what we thought the story would have been, No childish fanboy hate against directors/actors/whatever.
     
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    Is this "hey go rescue these guys in the brig" stuff in a garrison on the desert planet? Or is it on a imperial cruiser?
    A rescue of leads seems very ANH-y... :rolleyes:.
    I heard bits & specks that Boygeta is captured by scavengers & Daisy's character rescues him there. He "goes native"(a US spec ops term meaning wearing local clothes/disguise) & they go to the relic collector/scrap dealer(rumored to be Max Von Sydow but that seems very unlikely).

    The robot hand in space is hotly debated & also seems very B movie ish....
    I think that was a rumor/bait to get the rabid fans amped up.
     
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    You know I never really thought about the fact that Vader's hand was cut off with a lightsaber in it. Vader's saber and the original Anakin/Luke blade are very similar in design so someone COULD have mistaken the two. Plus it could be floating in space what with it being on the Death Star 2 when it blew up. Then again I could just be trying to fit known info into rumors.
     
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    I still prefer to think it's not a hand clutching a lightsaber, it's been said before but that is just extremely B-movie. If that plot still exists I think it will be a box that the lightsaber and MAYBE a hand is in. That answers a lot of the plot holes (why does the hand and saber survive reentry among them) and gives a good little mystery to start the film with. Not to mention doesn't the idea of a box opening, smoke streaming out, and is it clears you see our old friend we thought lost at Bespin, Binary Sunset starts playing and.... God I want that scene so bad now
     
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    The second part of this is very believable. I still don't understand how it could be a hand in space. I understand that MAYBE, just MAYBE the light saber is in space. But think for a moment:

    1. If it is Luke's lightsaber, do you really think when his hand got cut from his body it would still be holding the lightsaber? For 30 years!!! It has no muscle to physically grip it. How did it even get into space in the first place? It is just not a believable scenario. The only what I could even see this happening is if the so called "grave robber" actually collected it and he lost it at the beginning of the movie out in space. But there has been no mention of this whatsoever.

    2. If it were Vader's hand and lightsaber, how did it survive? We can question the concept of gravity with Cloud City. But Endor CLEARY has gravity. Also the Emperor was completely obliterated when he fell.

    (Skip to 3:50) Vader's arm fell into that same pit. There's no way that wouldn't get obliterated.

    3. Not really sure why it would be Anikan's real arm or fake arm (From Episodes II and III) either.
     
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    Third Order theory answers this question. The flashback is going to show Adam Driver's master being at Cloud City observing the duel between Vader and Luke, at the end of the duel he finds Luke's lightsaber and takes it with him as a new artifact.

    Even if Spoilerman is questionable right now he restored the idea that MvS may have been this master at some point before Driver overthrew him.
     
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    I suppose that's possible if then he loses the lightsaber in the opening scene. But there are a ton of "ifs" here. They can't just open the movie with his hand floating in space and try and fill the gaps later. I feel there just has to be more there in the opening scene (if this is the actual scene) that we're not hearing about.
     
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    Here's a general outline of the Third Order reveal subplot as theorized by myself mostly

    1. (Pre-Opening Credits) A battle in space caused damage to Driver's ship which led to him losing a piece of cargo, this piece of cargo is a box that reenters the atmosphere and crashlands in the desert as the battle continues overhead

    2. Box found by blue alien from concept art who can't open it, brings it to Ridley who is able to open it. Revealing Luke's old lightsaber

    3. Ridley brings this lightsaber to MvS who recognizes it as Luke's lightsaber, cue exposition

    4. Driver is rather keen on getting that lightsaber back for mysterious reasons

    5. After finally find Luke, Luke explains what Driver is and why he had the lightsaber, cue flashback scene

    6. Flashback of Third Order member, probably Driver's former master (maybe MvS but eh) on Cloud City where we get out rumored glimpse of Darth Vader. The man finds the lightsaber in the bowls of Cloud City and if it is MvS this is when it will be revealed as him.
     
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    you will recall that the lightsaber and attached hand blow out the hatch into Bespin when luke falls to the antenna thing. I might be wrong, but I am fairly certain this is correct. To have gotten that lightsaber at that time would be a feat miraculous for even a sith Master. More importantly why? Its a normal lightsaber as far as we were told. This not a special lightsaber infused with Sith Magic or anything? So why would they care about lukes rotting hand and the damn lightsaber.

    More importantly why would Luke care? Its not like they are going to reattach his damn hand after it got destroyed floating through space. This whole concept makes zero sense, zero. If they bring this to Han, why is Han going to give up the secret location of his friend for a god damn 30 year old lightsaber and a rotting hand. Han would take it and say, thanks kid I'll give it to him if I see him and Chewie would chase them out. There has to be more than this.
     
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    The thing to remember here is that we are all just piecing together bits of the puzzle. The people leaking stuff only get to see one bit of the puzzle, or just a few different bits. So, FWIW, I don't think Rhea is in any way confirming the "hand clutching saber" thing... Seems more likely to me he is saying "this was the rumoured intro we all read about... here is what I can add to that from what I know about Isaac's character..."
    That's not to say he won't later expand on the saber thing, just I don't think this report in particular is trying to tell us that.
     
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    I know. It's really more venting about it than anything. Just really tired of hearing about this being the opening scene because I really think it's a horrible one :)
     
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    That was discussed, I am one of the people who disagree that the object we see falling in the background is Luke's hand and lightsaber because it fell long before Luke did yet somehow comes out after Luke does?

    What makes an artifact an artifact? I can tell you from personal experience that finding a random piece of pottery at a dig site is a fantastic find, it doesn't have to be some sort of special piece, it's important because we put importance in it. The lightsaber doesn't have to have special powers, it is special because it belonged to the Chosen One and his son.
     
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    It survived because the force willed it to and made sure it fell into the hands of the awakened light side peeps. That's my guess.
     
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    I thought the saber, or whatever MacGuffin, was on board the Imperial ship that was shot down over this desert planet, resulting in the scourge of the locals to locate it? That's FAR more plausible than a hand holding a saber "landing" on a planet. That's just... dumb.
     
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    Although you are correct, the issue here is why would Han and Luke care enough to go chasing Luke down and divulge his secret location. It might be the most valuable artifact in the history of histories, but not valuable enough to Luke to risk his life for. valuable yes, as a plot device its stupid. All of this is ignoring the reality that the lightsaber, and the attached hand would have fallen into the atmosphere and burned up. Under almost zero conditions would they have floated back out into space. If they were that high up where that was even possible how is luke breathing? Why is Luke not sucked into the void of space with the hand? It is a really stupid plot device and I really hope we don't see it or I will spend the whole movie cringing. This is worse than anything in the prequels which at least made a modicum of sense.
     
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    I think if there's a "sacred" saber located, it's vader's. Makes sense given what we know about the Graverobber collecting Sith artifacts.
     
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