SPOILER New reports on opening scene

I agree. He is stating past rumors and then adding the new one. I also agree with the idea that the hand rumor is B movieish and I hope it is false

 

We get the reason for the attack right away. Vader called Leia a trader and a spy and that she is a part of the rebel alliance. Also we find out holding her may cause sympathy for the rebellion in the senate. He also tells her she is not on a mercy mission and he knows she received the plans and he wants the ship torn apart until they are found. So we do know why their was an attack and that it was over plans. We don't find out about the Death Star for 30 mins but we know why the ship was attacked. Further, we got a lot of info in a short time. We found out there was a rebellion, that their is a senate, and what Vader is after is of utmost importance. So we learned a bunch of back story very fast.

I don't think Luke or Vaders light saber kicks off the movie at all. It really sounds like a bad B movie plot.

 

What planes? What are you talking about?

Oh I see, Disney has planes for us

 

The fine china or the regular bowls?

 

What color is the bowl?
Makes me hungry.
Cereal, can you get into that bowl?

 

seems like there is an update on story
http://makingstarwars.net/2014/12/s...solo-princess-leia-artoo-threepios-placement/

 

One aspect of that latest report makes no sense...

"Han is concerned about what this means for his old buddy, and takes the trio to the nearest Rebel Alliance base where they meet the Alliance leader: Princess Leia Organa."

"Nonetheless, Leia helps the group safely leave the desert planet."

There is a glaringly obvious contradiction there.
Unless they are saying the nearest Rebel base, the Priate's Cove/Greenham Common set, is also on the desert planet, which I very much doubt...

 

Looking at the source, it seems like MSW added that part in, probably meant to say something along the lines of "Leia helps them (in some other way) and sends them on their way."

Rhea's blog just says:

"It’s not exactly a happy reunion. Nonetheless, Leia sends the group safely on their way, and they set out to return the lightsaber to Luke—and find out what happened to him."


The big question for me is, this pretty much reduces our "narrators" to a cameo appearance. I'm guessing part of how Leia helps our heroes is by entrusting Threepio and Artoo to them on their quest. They've got to be there for the next two movies, so they've got to end up with Ridley and Boyega somehow.
So I wonder how Ridley's beach ball droid fits into all this?

 

I'm a bit lost on the details of this lightsaber retrieval plot. First thing I can't get my head around is how anyone could tell if it was Anakin/Luke's? Unless they go down the road of it having a message inside or a name plaque...I don't get it. And wasn't Obi Wan's blue lightsaber almost identical, and that would be much more reasonable for it to in circulation 30 years later than two possible lightsabers in question (Vaders Red/Luke's Blue)

Ok sure, if I was collecting sith artifacts the lightsaber of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader that he used in the purge on the Jedi temple would be a great addition, I'd show it off to all my stormtroopers...but how would anyone know its history when hardly anybody seemed to know Anakin was Vader? (unless they watched the PT in the Tatooine drive-thru cinema?)

 

I'm not a big fan of the lightsaber as the opening shot thing, personally.
But I can see how a lightsaber can be the McGuffin that moves the plot early on.
I think that image of the saber, with a hand still attached to it, at the start is what is confusing people.

Just my speculation of course, but the way I see it, if the saber is in there, the point would be it has not been floating through space since we last saw it. It has just recently been lost, either by accident or during a battle or something happening as the movie begins, and that would be the eventual reveal. If someone is collecting Sith mementos, then I presume the saber lost on Bespin would be of interest to them, as Vader was the original owner. It's not a stretch to me to imagine someone, somewhere knows about what happened on Bespin and could point an interested party in the direction of someone who retrieved a saber from the planet surface around that time... So I presume it was added to the collection some time before the movie opens, but somehow lost from the collection as we join the action.
It kind of makes sense, because how Luke's saber came to be floating around space above the desert planet would be what is motivating Han once he gets involved. We probably already know too much spoiler-wise, because that should be a mystery to the audience too I expect. And the reveal is that someone has been collecting Sith nik-naks, which we kind of know now (possibly).

If there is a hand attached to the saber (which is an even cheesier idea, IMHO) then it has to be revealed that it is a fresh hand or that whoever has been collecting sabers has had the thing preserved in a tank with Luke's hand attached to it for some bizarre reason...

 

I understand where you're coming from... But personally I just find it a stretch too far for many reasons. Even the Idea that somebody would know about the Bespin duel and care enough to search through god know what, beneath the city in the clouds seems far fetched.

For me the only way it becomes a possibility is if the lightsaber is found below on gas mines of Bespin. But that would need to be explained somehow and written into the script, just for the sake of people scratching their heads over the same thing as I am.

 

I certainly felt that way when the rumour first cropped up.

I suppose if we are going to presume there is a scenario where someone could own "a given" lightsaber, even from an era predating what we have seen onscreen, then we have to presume a collector could own "any" ownerless lightsaber.
What I mean is, everyone is quick to theorise over the saber seen in the teaser and come to the conclusion it is some kind of antique. No-one seems worried about how the hooded character acquired that.
The fact is, Luke's saber was lost within living memory, and could quite easily have been found within living memory. So that is actually less of a problem than any ancient models this collector may own.
It also makes sense these things are of value - they don't get knocked out in a factory, right?
So the reality is, it is likely Luke's Bespin saber could have been found, and it is easy to imagine how it could have been passed to collectors along with knowledge of where it was found.
It makes sense to me that, if someone could track down these other old sabers that don't worry us because we know nothing about them, then someone could just as easily piece together enough details to trace a recently acquired saber to it's owner, given when, where and how it was found.
The thing is, we are looking at the problem this way:
Character collects Sith artefacts >>> Vader's old saber is of value to him >>> He is looking for Vader's saber and finds it.
When the simpler, and more realistic way of looking at it is:
Character collects Sith artefacts >>> Any potential Sith saber is of value to him >>> Any living collector or owner of a saber is therefore a valuable lead >>> even moreso if they have provenance of when and where it was found >>> this will hopefully help the "collector" character trace the saber to it's owner, but he may acquire it regardless of whether he can establish this or not.

Han might recognise the saber - that doesn't mean our antagonist has recognised its importance. Yet.
On top of that, maybe we are meant to be scratching our heads to a degree. And maybe we already know to much for it to be an effective mystery plot element now for us...



The bigger problem for me is if and how Ridley ends up with it.
If it just drops form outer space to right on her doorstep... along with Boyega... on the planet Han is currently inhabiting...
That's more of a stretch for me.

 

Vader's lightsaber is of the same design as Anakin/Luke's saber, except for some added black to it. Perhaps if the lightsaber was not charged or didn't work Vader's could be mistaken for the other.

 

I might be mistaken, but I presumed we were all specifically discussing Luke's blue saber here, which was originally Anakin's/Vader's?
That's the one which fits all the criteria (Han would recognise it as Luke's, Sith collector would be interested in it, spoilers referred to the saber as Luke's and it is the "most likely" to be found by someone), and was confirmed as being the sound heard at the end of the teaser.

 

This opening is starting to sound like Star Trek Into Darkness level of rushed and convenient.

Assuming what's being reported is true, you really have to suspend logic to believe the plot.

Granted we haven't seen it yet, but-

The blue saber thing for instance: there wasn't a more believable way to start the search for Luke? The best way they had to start this thing was to bring out ole blue??

Or is it more likely Abrams, in his usual over the top desire to nudge the fans via cuteness, pigeonholed ole blue into the story.

Yeah you can explain it any number of ways, but is it really necessary other than a gift to the fans- a gift few fans care about??

I hope it isn't true or there's more to it, but I can totally see this being a forced plot point.

Also, if the big 3 really are Daisy/Boyega/Isaac- they are all on the same planet?

The coincidences are piling up. Star Wars has already had them of course, but TFA seems to be going for records.

I'm worried based on all of this the movie will be rushed. ANH took its time introducing characters, I'm worried this won't.

 

. If you look up the photo leaks on google they show the mechanical hand and saber,...it is Vaders saber. im willing to bet that the sith detaches his bionic hand and installs Vader's mechanical hand onto his....pure speculation obviously