SPECULATION Official Han Solo Discussion Thread.

Kind of like the Lando System?

 

I know. And I wish they hadn't made the original movies if they were just going to go ahead and kill off the prequel characters (Obi-Wan, Yoda, Vader, Palpatine). I wish everything could just stay the same and be like real life where no one ever dies and nothing ever bad happens.

Cool ideas, even though with your changes, it sounds like you still would have known Han was going to die when he walked out on the bridge. Technically nothing changed about that part. That was a feeling you had BEFORE the scene occurs, and not just because of how the scene transpires. Now I happened to love the scene exactly the way it was, although that's just my preference and it's as subjective as anyone else's. And I did think that the feint was pretty effective already--Kylo dropping his helmet to a loud thud, saying those words to Han and asking for his help (even though I saw the double meaning in those words the first time, looking at Kylo's emotions in that scene I can see how Han would want it to be true and buy it), and Kylo then handing his saber to Han. That was pretty cool, especially when the sunlight goes out, darkness hits, and then Kylo makes his choice. From the sound of it, this scene worked for a whole lot of people too. But even so, thanks for your sharing another cool idea about it.

Honestly, fanfic may just be the place for you, which you can always have. It just sounds to me like you weren't in love with the actual movie characters and what the official storytellers either hadn't yet showed us, or have now shown us, but you were in love with who you wanted the characters to become after ROTJ and where you wanted them to end up, whether from your own imagination or from expanded universe novels, etc. That's definitely your prerogative, but that will end up being your own made up Han and Leia, not what we actually have. If I did that with every movie character or couple that I've ever loved, I would also probably be disappointed with sequels every time.

As far as the official story goes, it's not up to us and never will be. Life doesn't very often give us that capability either. Just as Han and Leia ultimately couldn't control what Ben became and what he did, as well as what that tragedy did to them, we can't necessarily control those things in our lives or families. That's why I learn best from stories that are out of our control. Because it teaches us that we have to adapt, evolve, and roll with the punches, rather than retreat back to an imaginary version of what we would like to have happened in our own minds. I can't imagine how many people aren't fans of TFA just because the story and characters didn't end up where different audience members thought or imagined they'd be.

Han, Luke, and Leia were so happy at the end of ANH, and then ESB starts and ruins all that we had imagined. ROTJ ends so great, and then the expanded universe books come out and ruin all that (the Empire is still out there, heroes are still fighting, kids turn against parents, kids and a certain wookie co-pilot dies, other more powerful alien species attack the Galaxy. It's never, ever been a smooth ride for the Star Wars heroes in any set of movies. Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru, and baby Luke looking out to the binary sunset at the end of ROTS, and Bail Organa, his wife, and baby Leia happily together on Alderaan, absolutely ruined by what happens in ANH.

As you said, every person has the right to their own opinions and feelings, but I for one left the theater after TFA (all five times now), loving and respecting Han even more now than I did after how great he was in the OT movies. And for a lot of people, his death while trying to win back his son was far more powerful, emotional and effective than if he had died trying to take down a Death Star (which he did actually, because he and Chewie are also the primary reason Starkiller base went down). In that sense, he got a double amazing death. Now I like it even more. You are free to go and make your own idol or version of Han and Leia, but it won't be the real, official, canonical one that plenty of other people think turned out pretty powerfully and redemptive (Han and Leia did overcome huge obstacles and get back together, and Han may have self-sacrificed himself in a way that somehow wins back Ben or spurs Rey on to eventually defeat evil). Man, this just makes me want to go and watch it again.

 

[/QUOTE]Honestly, fanfic may just be the place for you, which you can always have. It just sounds to me like you weren't in love with the actual movie characters and what the official storytellers either hadn't yet showed us, or have now shown us, but you were in love with who you wanted the characters to become after ROTJ and where you wanted them to end up[/QUOTE]

No.

[/QUOTE]As far as the official story goes, it's not up to us and never will be. Life doesn't very often give us that capability either. Just as Han and Leia ultimately couldn't control what Ben became and what he did, as well as what that tragedy did to them, we can't necessarily control those things in our lives or families. That's why I learn best from stories that are out of our control. Because it teaches us that we have to adapt, evolve, and roll with the punches, rather than retreat back to an imaginary version of what we would like to have happened in our own minds. I can't imagine how many people aren't fans of TFA just because the story and characters didn't end up where different audience members thought or imagined they'd be.[/QUOTE]

Disagree completely. This isn't real life.

[/QUOTE]You are free to go and make your own idol or version of Han and Leia, but it won't be the real, official, canonical one that plenty of other people think turned out pretty powerfully and redemptive (Han and Leia did overcome huge obstacles and get back together, and Han may have self-sacrificed himself in a way that somehow wins back Ben or spurs Rey on to eventually defeat evil). Man, this just makes me want to go and watch it again. [/QUOTE]

Well that's true about canon, but so what? That's life. I'm taking my $$ elsewhere, perhaps to a franchise that cares about a fanbase.

I'm glad that you loved the movie. Thanks for the support.

 

Honestly, fanfic may just be the place for you, which you can always have. It just sounds to me like you weren't in love with the actual movie characters and what the official storytellers either hadn't yet showed us, or have now shown us, but you were in love with who you wanted the characters to become after ROTJ and where you wanted them to end up[/QUOTE]

No.

[/QUOTE]As far as the official story goes, it's not up to us and never will be. Life doesn't very often give us that capability either. Just as Han and Leia ultimately couldn't control what Ben became and what he did, as well as what that tragedy did to them, we can't necessarily control those things in our lives or families. That's why I learn best from stories that are out of our control. Because it teaches us that we have to adapt, evolve, and roll with the punches, rather than retreat back to an imaginary version of what we would like to have happened in our own minds. I can't imagine how many people aren't fans of TFA just because the story and characters didn't end up where different audience members thought or imagined they'd be.[/QUOTE]

Disagree completely. This isn't real life.

[/QUOTE]You are free to go and make your own idol or version of Han and Leia, but it won't be the real, official, canonical one that plenty of other people think turned out pretty powerfully and redemptive (Han and Leia did overcome huge obstacles and get back together, and Han may have self-sacrificed himself in a way that somehow wins back Ben or spurs Rey on to eventually defeat evil). Man, this just makes me want to go and watch it again. [/QUOTE]

Well that's true about canon, but so what? That's life. I'm taking my $$ elsewhere, perhaps to a franchise that cares about a fanbase.

I'm glad that you loved the movie. Thanks for the support.[/QUOTE]

Like Star Trek ? .

 

Wasn't there another Han Solo thread on this forum? This thread should be merged.

Anyway, I was sad Han died of course but I didn't mind the manner of his death. He died for his love of Leia and his son. Leia asked him to bring their son home and reunite their family and Han died trying. That shows a full circle arc from the Han we met in ANH. I do hope that Han's actions and his last gesture of stroking his son's face to show he still loves him are instrumental in Kylo Ren's redemption.

I wish he had gotten a proper reconciliation with a Leia though. It was obvious they still were in love with each other and I think if Han hadn't died they would have reconciled, but more between them would have been nice.

 

No.

[/QUOTE]As far as the official story goes, it's not up to us and never will be. Life doesn't very often give us that capability either. Just as Han and Leia ultimately couldn't control what Ben became and what he did, as well as what that tragedy did to them, we can't necessarily control those things in our lives or families. That's why I learn best from stories that are out of our control. Because it teaches us that we have to adapt, evolve, and roll with the punches, rather than retreat back to an imaginary version of what we would like to have happened in our own minds. I can't imagine how many people aren't fans of TFA just because the story and characters didn't end up where different audience members thought or imagined they'd be.[/QUOTE]

Disagree completely. This isn't real life.

[/QUOTE]You are free to go and make your own idol or version of Han and Leia, but it won't be the real, official, canonical one that plenty of other people think turned out pretty powerfully and redemptive (Han and Leia did overcome huge obstacles and get back together, and Han may have self-sacrificed himself in a way that somehow wins back Ben or spurs Rey on to eventually defeat evil). Man, this just makes me want to go and watch it again. [/QUOTE]

Well that's true about canon, but so what? That's life. I'm taking my $$ elsewhere, perhaps to a franchise that cares about a fanbase.

I'm glad that you loved the movie. Thanks for the support.[/QUOTE]

Like Star Trek ? .[/QUOTE]


Ha ha, Astro. Actually, I'm not a fan of the original Star Trek. I never was. I loved TNG and Voyager, but I'm no longer a fan of them.

 

As far as the official story goes, it's not up to us and never will be. Life doesn't very often give us that capability either. Just as Han and Leia ultimately couldn't control what Ben became and what he did, as well as what that tragedy did to them, we can't necessarily control those things in our lives or families. That's why I learn best from stories that are out of our control. Because it teaches us that we have to adapt, evolve, and roll with the punches, rather than retreat back to an imaginary version of what we would like to have happened in our own minds. I can't imagine how many people aren't fans of TFA just because the story and characters didn't end up where different audience members thought or imagined they'd be.[/QUOTE]

Disagree completely. This isn't real life.

[/QUOTE]You are free to go and make your own idol or version of Han and Leia, but it won't be the real, official, canonical one that plenty of other people think turned out pretty powerfully and redemptive (Han and Leia did overcome huge obstacles and get back together, and Han may have self-sacrificed himself in a way that somehow wins back Ben or spurs Rey on to eventually defeat evil). Man, this just makes me want to go and watch it again. [/QUOTE]

Well that's true about canon, but so what? That's life. I'm taking my $$ elsewhere, perhaps to a franchise that cares about a fanbase.

I'm glad that you loved the movie. Thanks for the support.[/QUOTE]

Like Star Trek ? .[/QUOTE]


Ha ha, Astro. Actually, I'm not a fan of the original Star Trek. I never was. I loved TNG and Voyager, but I'm no longer a fan of them.[/QUOTE]

I've never liked Star Tesk .

 

Disagree completely. This isn't real life.

[/QUOTE]You are free to go and make your own idol or version of Han and Leia, but it won't be the real, official, canonical one that plenty of other people think turned out pretty powerfully and redemptive (Han and Leia did overcome huge obstacles and get back together, and Han may have self-sacrificed himself in a way that somehow wins back Ben or spurs Rey on to eventually defeat evil). Man, this just makes me want to go and watch it again. [/QUOTE]

Well that's true about canon, but so what? That's life. I'm taking my $$ elsewhere, perhaps to a franchise that cares about a fanbase.

I'm glad that you loved the movie. Thanks for the support.[/QUOTE]

Like Star Trek ? .[/QUOTE]


Ha ha, Astro. Actually, I'm not a fan of the original Star Trek. I never was. I loved TNG and Voyager, but I'm no longer a fan of them.[/QUOTE]

I've never liked Star Tesk .[/QUOTE]

K.

 

I think force-ghost won't happen, just doesn't make sense...

 

I think that you're getting confused with Thr Han Solo Apprecistion Thread .

 

It would a first if Han came back that way usually only those with the force get that opportunity.

 

Han Solo is dead. Discuss.

 

He was going to die at some point anyway. Harrison is 73 and likely didn't want to commit long-term. Plus one of the biggest flaws in the old EU for me was it's habit of constantly introducing new and interesting (or potentially interesting) characters, only to kill them off or sideline them because the writers just couldn't let go of the OT character even after decades were meant to have past in-continuity.

It's sabotaging yourself long-term, purely for the sake of nostalgia.

 

some mornings you just miss Han Solo and then you find deleted scenes from ROTJ that you never knew existed!

 

It's so nice to see these again. "Luuuuuke, Luuuuuuuke...." *coughForcebondcough*

That pic makes me sad, though. Luke didn't come after Han this time...

 

oh fer hellsinki sake, why'd you have to say that? hahaha

Luke's got a lot of answering to do....

 

Sorry!

 

why is this thread fallow?

i'm just going to boot it every day with new pictures.

because.

 

good morning Cantina! this is your daily Han Solo!