SPECULATION Official Knights of Ren in Episode VIII Thread

I have to agree with @Just Passing Through on this one: leaving the planet and then coming back seems... muddled.

Not saying they couldn't pull it off if they needed to... JPT and I part ways on Trust In Lucasfilm, right JPT? (C'mere, guy. Friend hug.) But it would be an unusual choice.

 

We might be getting the force vision coming true from TFA.

seen in background is the force tree.. This dream vision was in the future on Ahch-to?
Did they film this again at Ireland? I think so they had a night time rain fall scene filmed there.

 

What I find potentially powerful in the scene with the KoR is that this might parallel the slaughter Kylo did in Luke's academy. We know that Kylo and the KoR kill lots of people in the vision, so if this happens indeed on Ahch-To, then it's no wonder that Luke goes all out. He failed to stop Kylo from killing his students, he'll go full-blown hunter this time.

Becuase the fact that the KoR fall so easily by Luke's hand means that this battle will be more dramatic than a spectacle. Which I hope so. The confrontation between Luke and Kylo will shed light on a lot of things we don't know.

As for thr timing, I think we've been spoiled to the climax of the movie. Kylo was supposed to complete his training, there's no way Snoke would have let him go and face Luke Skywalker, a Jedi even Snoke himself is afraid of (in the novelization that becomes apparent) without Kylo being in the best possible shape.

Which actually makes me wonder: why on Earth Snoke would send Kylo to face Luke? As we've heard, Luke destroys the KoR and Kylo himself runs away, unable to face him. Did Snoke start his plan to get rid of Kylo? If so, it doesn't look like Kylo was of any great use to him.

 

the only question i have about your idea is, who would be the guy getting killed in the force vision with the knights of ren ???

 

on the Ahch-to set area there where aliens spotted so these might be Luke's students, but who knows..

 

I actually heard from another source that the scene depicted was of a clan village attack and not Ach-to?. Am I missing something here?
Its definitely not the attack on Luke's students.

 

I don't see the tree.

 

i think he means the shadowry structure to the top right of this image.

 

i'm probably going to regret wading in here, but i'd consider myself remiss in my duties if i did not.

the thing in the background is most likely a Jedi temple (it's potentially described as such in the book and script). that doesn't discount that this might be Ahch-To, but it would raise the question of who these other dead clan members are since all the KoR are on their feet in this scene.

Hidalgo has already stated that this not a scene of Luke's students.

there is yet to be any evidence that Kylo Ren killed any of Luke's students. there is a single website and the Visual Guide, which Hidalgo has stated was not vetted and is not worded as he would have directed. otherwise the description of Ben's betrayal has always been that he "destroyed" Luke's "efforts". we don't know if Luke had other students, if those students were killed, or if Ren Ben was even the one to do it.

there is a strong chance that things went down just as people assume they did, but until it's confirmed, we are purely speculating.

Snoke doesn't have to "let" him. Ren has already demonstrated a single-mindedness about Luke that overrides his common sense. he very well could go off half-cocked after a quick dip in the bacta without reporting to Snoke at all (for all we know). depends on how much of his mind has been shattered. on the other hand, he could have dutifully returned to Snoke for more training and still left too early. or he's left with Snoke's blessings but he's completely off-roading on the agenda because his mind's been turned.

there are a lot of ways for a variety of options to make sense.

 

I think the force vision is the killing of Luke's students, and that guy in the image is one of Luke's students or a temple guard..

 

The scene where Kylo strikes down that person is not related to the following scene where the Knights of Ren stand around all of the bodies.

It implies that either that person was significant that died or that there were multiple genocides...

 

And you know this how ???

 

I believe Pablo Hidalgo stated it. I'm like 80% sure and I don't know where to find the tweet with the quote. But I'm fairly certain this has been addressed previously...

 

He never said this. It's the same scene

 

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Ah yes. That's it. I was a little off. Thanks!

 

Pablio H. has stated more than once that the scene where the clan leader is killed and the one after where the KOR and KR are standing around are NOT related to the downfall of Luke's students and there was no 'academy'. The idea that it is an attack on a village came from Star War Underworld, I think.


I think way more went down in relation to Luke's students. I think Ren Ben turned them to the dark side. Luke had to have been there when it happened and something horrific involving Luke (killed some in self-defense) led to the groups downfall and subsequently Luke's exile. Remember KR wanted to "finish what [Darth Vader] started" and I believe that it was trying to turn Luke to the dark side, which may have happened since he was the most powerful Jedi in the galaxy. KR is just a pawn of Snoke's to get at Luke.

 

The force vision scene was drastically changed as to how it was originally intended. The shooting sheets that MSW and a few others were able to get there hands on showed this scene as "the clan vs. the seven". The seven was the KoR. This was when the force vision was going to follow the path the light saber took. The clan had the saber and was using it to fight the KoR. There was another scene where it appears Maz ends up with the saber. However, now that the vision has been changed it is unclear what the significance of that scene is. At this point, im not even sure we will find out.

 

See thats what bothers me if we dont get an explanation to what that Force Vision was all about.. Especially when Obi Wan called out to Rey, what connection does Obi Wan have to Rey ??? Thats an aswer I would like them to give us..

 

I agree. I think getting an explanation about the vision would be helpful. Something in my gut tells me we are not going to get one. I hope I'm wrong.