SPECULATION OFFICIAL Rey Discussion Thread

I was, but your statement made it seem like you were devaluing EU altogether.
The point I was making is that it's reasonable to conclude the new canon is taking some inspiration from the old canon (which includes old EU). I just understand why they hand waved it away after seeing TFA. It wouldn't fit what they're doing now. Case and point about them taking inspiration. The Solos, in the old EU, had a son who went to the dark side. The Solos in the New canon have a son who went to the dark side.

 

LFL handwaved the olf-EU the second they were bought by DISNEY. They have stated that they have every right to take what they feel is appropriate for their films and The NU-EU. AS you said, they did that with Han Solo and his son .

 

Not necessarily, many guys grow to their full height by 15 years old. We have no confirmation at any rate that Kylo killing the Jedi students was his first act as a dark side user. We just know that it happened. Not the full context. He could have left Luke years before that and been active in the Knights of Ren and then come back to kill everyone when he was more experienced. There's some evidence for that including a line from the concept art book about how the Knights of Ren were a "gang the Jedi Killer fell in with as a young man", (there is also a picture in this chapter showing what looks very much like a teenaged Kylo already dressed up in dark side clothing) and the line from the Visual Dictionary saying his lightsaber was made by "an inexperienced hand". Luke was training his Jedi how to make and use lightsabers, as evidenced from the other line in there about how Kylo killing them all was what basically erased the galaxy's knowledge of the lightsaber combat/art form. So if Kylo didn't know what he was doing yet when he built his red lightsaber, it stands to reason that Luke never got a chance to show him how. That'd be odd if Kylo had been training with him all the way from adolescence into his 20s and he never properly taught this skill to Kylo. (Luke barely got a year of training and he was able to make a perfect lightsaber on his own).

Ergo, I think there's a good chance teenage Kylo (thanks to Snoke's influence) ran away from Luke first. So that scene in the rain could still be him as a teenager. It's been confirmed by Pablo to not be the Jedi massacre, + Kylo seems to be killing another Knight of Ren in it so that could mean that was how he got initiated into the group. And one wonders why the Force would show this event, of all things, to Rey. >.>

 

I have a question. Why does everyone keep using Pablo Hidalgo as authoritative canon when on the front page of his tweeter account it says, "Don't cite tweets as canon?" I'm not trying to be super naysayer here, I know how that comes off, but I see a whole lot of quotes flying around from Mr. Hidalgo and I know John admits, at least, here that production didn't always stick to plan with everything. There are a lot of other articles flying around with admissions by production about switching things around and changing meanings of certain scenes in the editing room as opposed to the script, etc. But just enough that it does not conflict with the entirety of canon. Genuinely just curious about this here.

 

He explained why here:

 

Ok, fair enough on that point, but still, I don't see a whole lot of pooling together various sources on a particular issue and the overall environment around the creation of the New SW Universe as a whole. Hidalgo, from what I read, just seems like a knowledgeable guy of the overall mythos who also works with Luscasfilms on a lot of new EU material. I'm not trying to decry his position and potential insider information, but I also think too many people are relying on him as a source of canon material as well. Remember, there are certain things he can reveal and certain things he can't and just like the general production crew at large, he is potentially part of a misdirection campaign as well to keep you from finding out potential spoilers regarding the overall story. Still, tho, I get what he's saying, but I also think he also means, his tweets aren't meant to be taken as canon if he doesn't want to see a potential joke tweet on Wookieepedia. This doesn't mean that some of the information he gives isn't factual, it just means you have to match it up with other SW source material as that other part of the canon comes out and reveals his statements to be fact. Right now, a lot of the speculative stuff, we have no way to confirm.

So I'm still left wondering why a lot of people absolutely rely on him.
I'll leave it at this, don't want to distract from the topic at hand. I just thought I'd raise that question because my own look into Hidalgo, particularly his admission in this article, had me asking this question to myself.

 

Hidalgo wrote The Force Awakens Visual Dictionary.

Abrams talked about Hidalgo on Howard Stern's radio program.

http://m.hitfix.com/news/star-wars-...0-big-highlights-from-the-jj-abrams-interview

He is however deliberately evasive at times and it's not hard to see when (hint: such as answering questions with a question).



Episode VIII:

 

I love her. The best thing is if you hear her speak. She sounds nothing like Rey. A real bad accent. Her acting abilities to change her larynx is amazing!

About 1% of actors can do either of two things. 1. cry. 2. change there larynx

I seen her do both when she said, "the force?"

She is A plus material and I couldn't be happier to have her represent my child hood passion that is star wars.

 

Magnar,

Your post proves my point IMO and still has the question open for me. It doesn't validate using Hidalgo as a final source on some things. I just wanted to express that so it doesn't seem I'm coming off as not thinking this whole question through.

We should let the thread get back on topic about Rey.

 

http://variety.com/2015/film/news/s...pisode-8-rogue-one-felicity-jones-1201664087/

 

just watched the interrogation scene again. I wish I was an actor. I love her. I love Rey.

Oh my....

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I love when kylo hits himself. when I was a kid we had a pool table. A ball flew off and hit my sister right in the mouth. She was of course the prom queen and hottest girl in school. My dad beat my ass no matter how many times I told her I was sorry. I snapped one night and cut myself in front of her and said tell dad. She never told him. I don't know what that means.

 

It's amazing how that scene goes from really creepy/icky, to cathartically awesome, all in the span of about two minutes.

 

REY: Its none of your business that's why.

I'm loving her more and more every time I watch it!

 

It's her first real film role to.

 

Well said JJ that sunshine shone on Jakku.

 

Luke+Felicity Jones' character Rogue One= Rey. But how do I know?

 

I could see JJ not being aware of the old EU. Having a son turn against his father is a pretty natural troupe in fiction. As much as I loved the old Eu, other than species and planet names, I don't think we can count any any significant story elements being used.