SPECULATION OFFICIAL: THE FIRST ORDER DISCUSSION THREAD

I heard Neeson was injured.

 

This just occurs to me


You know who would be an AWESOME Whills?????

MAZ !!!!!!!​

 

I think Maz will be Force Sensitive and will have powers. If you mean new Yoda as short alien Jedi sure. If you mean the voice of wisdom and leadership of the Jedi. I think that will be Luke. The whills need to be that sort of Wise creature I am just not picking that up from Maz. Could be wrong. I think she is going to be awesome though.

 

She sounded "wise" in the first/last trailer...you'll never know. She's probably just seen a lot of blast and has wised up and being force-sensitive only helps her. Based on the concept art, now that I think about it, she does remind me a bit of Yoda based on the concept art, except a tad taller and with no ears that look like Yoda...to me, it's her skin and the fact that she's also a different color.

 

That's true I just think she is more an outsider like Ahsoka who has power and skill and wisdom but I think I think she will not be the WISE 1.

 

I mean AS the Whills were represented in the early screenplays.. enigmatic and wise with a deep understanding of the Force... nothing to do per sé with the Jedi Order, except maybe that they acknowledge that the Jedi seek balance with the Force in their own way but are on their own path.

 

It might have been cool if GL had put a short prologue at the begining of TPM and then after 9 or 12 they could put the Epilogue. A beginning and end of a huge generation spanning story. The scenes would be of Artoo telling the tale to the Whills.

Or maybe thats the worst idea ever....

Whills are very interesting. Just one of the thousands of GL's ideas that we will probablly never get to see.

 

But it really just isn't canon. Until it gets put back in there in a special edition or something. This isn't even relevant to point out, but that dialogue from the screenplay was never even shot, let alone made it as far as a deleted scene. I made this point earlier in the thread, but it bears repeating. Is the originally intended melancholy and darker ending to RotJ canon? What about the deleted scenes in ESB where Leia and Luke have a very romantic moment, and that the idea of Leia as Luke's sister was not actually conceived until RotJ? Are those things canon? Of course not.

If something is not released, it isn't canon. The Whills have been a long-lived idea of GL's since he created Star Wars. However, he has always held them back, or had them held back, at the last minute, on several occasions, from ANH through to RotS to TCW. With GL not a part of the creative process at all anymore, I think the Whills have gotten as close as they ever will to being introduced as canon in Star Wars.

Yoda referring to a conversation or discourse with Qui-Gon in RotS does not unshot screenplay dialogue canon make.

 

Great idea perhaps they will make a 9 disk super special deluxe edition with a prologue and epilogue like that.

 

13:32 of this clip:

 

GL came up with the name "Sheev."

 

That's exactly what I meant by it not being relevant to the discussion. Deleted scenes are not canon, just as cast away screen play revisions and rewrites are not. It actually serves to make my point - Liam Neeson never even went as far as recording the dialogue, that was a stand-in voice - it could even have been recorded only after that fact for the DVD. In any event even in this clip I don't hear the term Whill mentioned at all. In fact this scene was probably left out because it was redundant, we know everything that is explained here by the end of RotS in any case.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 30, 2015, Original Post Date: Oct 30, 2015 ---

Sums up my thoughts on the Whills pretty much exactly - and very succinctly as well. Fully agree.

 

To counter that, Yoda literally states that he is learning how become "one with the force" by Qui-Gon's teachings, so watch the last 11 or so minutes of ROTS and Yoda talks about "Obi-Wan's old master." I'm not trying to say, specifically, that that particular scene of Yoda actually talking to Qui-Go Jinn is canon, but Qui-Gon as a force ghost IS canon, and so is him learning rom Qui-Gon Jinn...Qui-Gon Jinn has even become canon as a force ghost in The SW Saga due to TCW.

 

Hmmm...Are we talking past each other? Qui-Gon as a Force ghost is definitely canon, that was never in dispute, was it??? I thought we were talking about The Whill here?

 

Probably...lol...I was responding to what you said about what my question being relevant, when my question was about that particular script posting another poster had posted.

 

Ha ha, obviously a misunderstanding

I think here is what happened from my point of view:

• In post #61 @Darth Sidious posted a very cool and very interesting find of a portion of early draft RotS screenplay where the Whill are mentioned in a scene where Yoda is communing with Qui-Gon's Force ghost.
• I pointed out that a draft screenplay is not canon and didn't even make it to a deleted scene, and the Whill have never been included in any final canonical work (new canon)
• In post #73 @FN NewGuy posted the released RotS deleted scenes, where a completely different and later draft of the dialogue, sans Whills reference, is used, not even using Liam's voice, and actually supports the point I was making, which is that the Whills are never explicitly mentioned in any canonical work.

I THINK, I misread you in post #63 and thought you meant The Whills were canon, when in fact you meant Qui-Gon Jinn as a Force ghost. So I think it is probably all my fault

 

OK
Now *I* am clouded.

 

i think at least 3 of us are...

 

Filoni said he asked Lucas if the Priestesses are Whills and Lucas said that it's a possibility. Interestingly, Filoni said that the Priestesses were one being in life. Maybe this one being was the Shaman of the Whills?

 

what about the guy touching R2?