SPECULATION Putting the pieces together . . . The villains of The Force Awakens and beyond.

I remember Lucas said he gave his scripts for 7-9 and the spinoffs to Disney and Kennedy, but where has it been said a lot of his work has been disregarded? Filoni himself has said that even with Rebels, this has to be in line with Lucas' vision, and not go off on the fantasies each kid and adult has about Star Wars.

 

I was referring to the EU. If they are totally disregarding that which was something Lucas supported and let happen it's very possible that the sequels will not reflect exactly what he had in mind. I think that business about him not watching the teaser kind of hints they aren't using as much as he'd like them too even if he is playing it cool and acting like he wants to just see it when it is complete. If he hasn't seen the teaser or doesn't really care to then how involved can he really be?

I can see Rebels needing some oversight from Lucas because of where it ties in with the timeline. It fits in with the films HE created and was a part of.

 

Oh, I see what you mean. I was referring to the video I saw regarding the sale to Disney, where Lucas said he gave his scripts, and Kennedy, who is a producer, said that they would used much of Lucas' script as possible. Sorry for the slight confusion.

 

Yes and I'm sure they did but it could have ended up being 20% of his material used. I don't believe they were full scripts either I think just kind of detailed plot synopsis of each episode. I think they may have focused more on continuing the stories about the Skywalker family rather than anakin himself who would still obviously be referenced. There's been talk recently of Kylo Ren being injured and being made a cyborg type character from his injuries and possibly even becoming like a Neo-Vader. Imagine how stupid that would be...The Films are about Anakin so we have this guy pretending to be him now. Even if he is his grandson or something at that point i'm
just going to assume Disney really wants to make money off of continuing to have the extremely popular Vader character around for better or worst but I don't think (fingers crossed) they will do that.

 

The sequel trilogy is about Anakin's legacy. What he leaves behind. Remember, at the point ROTJ ends, both Anakin and Vader are seperate individuals. The dichotomy of the character and the absence of Luke, and the silence of Leia leaves 2 seperate legacies. One from Anakin, the Chosen one, the other from Vader, the murderer and the dark lord.

 

Nice way to put it. I hope we see Hayden some time in the ST, and unlike other fans, I believe a second chance, after a good performance in ROTS (AOTC was okay), some great script could make his reputation much better. Heck, his character got better thanks to the awesome The Clone Wars.

 

I partially agree with the second part, your psychological thesis. It is more or less spot on.

Although I could see this narcissism playing out of Kylo feeling himself to actually be on the level of Vader (arrogance, self grandiosity).

Hence no perception of being a mere wannabe.

Regarding Disney wanting to resurrect Vader indirectly, I believe, as you say, that everything is pointing to them doing this and I think that they are right in doing so.

I feel that the impression the Vader-esque mask is giving off is so dark, so obsessed and that it encapsulates the powerful desperation in the fantasy of wanting to become larger than life.

 

Couldn't agree more. I don't think he is going to be depicted as a "wannabe" in any way. IF he is even portrayed the way we are all assuming he is.
Without knowing the context of why he wears the mask I still think just wearing a mask gives the villain more appeal regardless of why he does it.
For me it's one thing for him to be influenced by Vader or if he has some kind of tie to him and that causes his drive to do the things he does but it would be entirely different if they decided to literally make him into Vader as some people have suggested.
I absolutely do not want to see someone else parading around as Vader. I want to see progression.

 

If there still is a civil/cold war between the new Alliance/Republic and remnants of the Empire, what if Kylo Ren's motivations spring from a good source; the desire to have peace? This would mirror some of Anakin's intentions when he sides with Palpatine, who uses the lure of doing to the "right" thing to convince Anakin to turn on the Jedi. Palpatine mentions that Anakin can finally bring peace to the republic and end the Clone Wars.

Kylo Ren, being rumored to lead a double life as both the Sith Acolyte and a hot-shot Rebel pilot, is fed up of the fighting and politics of an endless civil or cold war. The Rebel hero Luke Skywalker, the last of the Jedi, is no where to be found, but Kylo Ren does know that there was relative peace (however oppresive) under the rule of the Emperor, and enforced by Darth Vader.

In the absence of the Jedi training, he channels the dark side and seeks the mysterious power of the Sith in secret. Through his ignorance, Kylo Ren awakens an ancient power that he believes will help him end the war for good. However, the power overwhelms him, and he fully succumbs to the dark side. Luke, and a small handful of trainees, must rise to face this threat.