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Rey and Kylo connection

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Obiwonallmygames, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. Obiwonallmygames

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    If snoke was orchestrating the connection then who was responsible for the last connection?
     
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    I have two theories:
    1) Snoke was lying and he didn't really creat the connection
    2) Snoke accidentally made the connection persistent.

    Bonus theory: Snoke is still alive and is trolling everyone. I hope not...
     
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    I think the connection was established during Rey's interrogation scene and Snoke sorta amplified it a degree. Under the assumption that Snoke is telling the truth. Besides that, I think it's more the interrogation scene that provided the power for it to exist in the first place.
     
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    I think Snoke first established the connection, but Kylo was able to continue it. Once they had a connection they couldn't turn it off.
    I like what @Andrew Waples said, they always had a connection from the interrogation scene, when Rey first awakened to her powers.
     
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    Has there ever bin thing of having 2 strangers having a Force bond?
     
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    I agree, although I think Kylo and Rey were able to continue it. But I understand your point in remarking Kylo.

    I see this connection like the Force Ghost, only a few Jedi will be capable to do it, with a special training. I think we have to see this way. Would be strange if every Jedi could make connections like this. It has to be something the chosen ones only can do. I suppouse that will explain if we see Jedi after E8 with no connection at all.
     
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    I think Revan and Bastila Shan had a force bond. I know their story isn't canon. But everyone should see that their story seem to be a huge inspiration for Kylo and Rey.
     
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    I think the last connection is simply an echo of their previous ones but this time facilitated by the “force” dice Luke brought with him to crait. The dice faded as soon as the connection broke. The question is, was the connection broken because Snoke cannot sustain it any longer or because Rey rejected it? I think the latter.

    Their force connection may be over as a result of Rey being capable to ignore it, which doesn’t necessarily mean there will be no connections in the future... Snoke may very well have opened a Pandora’s box here. Very exciting.

    Edit: I agree about the possibility of that force bond emerging from the interrogation. In a way, Snoke could have only enhanced a telepathic path that was already there...
     
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    Rey and Kylo Ren will probably sense each other in the future, because they are now familiar with each other. This is similar to any two Force users who have previously known each other. Like Vader sensing Obi-Wan's presence aboard the Death Star . . . before killing him.
     
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    But i don't think they were "strangers".
     
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    I don't think knowing or being a blood relative matters in this case. What was going on in the Force was so strong, that after the interrogation scene it lingered between the two of 'em. Remember: TLJ takes place days perhaps weeks after TFA.
     
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    is love a force ?
     
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    Yes
     
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    Snoke didn't create their Force bond (it existed since the interrogation in TFA).
    Snoke just made it possible for them to project and see each other across the vast distances.
    basically, he exploited the bond he knew was there.

    this is why they are still connected at the end and likely will be in ix.

    Ren basically gives this all to us in his questions about why and how they see each other; he figures it out first, but thinks it's the will of the Force.
    he's cautious, but excited about this; he craves the connection. but when he finds out it's Snoke messing with him, that's kind of the last straw.
     
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    Yeah, I don't think Snoke bridged their minds each time - as amusing as that would be to imagine him waiting for Ren to get out the shower and then connect him to a coy Rey! The connection between them was there. She is the light rising to his darkness. That was the grounds of their connection. All Snoke did was some weird unexplained Force trickery (that we'll never fully understand, like force ghosts, and shouldn't bother trying to) that boosted the connection and allowed them to see one another. Once he did this, the skype thing would just happen. I personally think that each connection occurred when they were thinking about one another or in an emotional state where "they needed one another" - it could only happen when they both "logged in" ;)
     
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    I would guess after they were connected via Snoke, the connection stayed there
     
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    This is how I see it, too.
     
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    They are cousins,strong Skywalker blood flows trough their veins, their connection is permanent.
    Just like between Luke and Leia.

    Which actually Rian showed to us in a criss-cross connection sequence in the film when Kylo connected with Rey, Luke with Leia.

    Snoke has amplified and exploited that natural connection.
     
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    Yeah, this pretty much sums it up. We have two super strong force users on both sides. Both Luke and Snoke mention powerful light and powerful darkness. I would be curious to know why the force awakened in Rey. Did anything set that in motion? It's a story worth telling if there's more to it.
     
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    Borderline trolling now, McDiarmind. Sort it out, mate.

    This is a big question but not one I envisage being answered - more so because it would require a reasonably extensive bit of exposition.
    However, my view from the "beginning" has been that Rey & Ren are soul mates. Kindred spirits. Clearly things have gone awry, but everything about those two is aligned: their power, their "journey through adolescence" and their destinies. It's a slightly religious/spiritual notion that links into such real world religions/spiritual groups, like Kabbalah. The idea that, man & wife *sigh*, were once one and since their birth are seeking each other to reunite once again.

    I think the story could be that Ben Solo was born, but by age 10 things were going wrong in his life. So the Force, as way of a reaction or natural consequence, has a hand in his equal: Rey. The danger here however is in taking away Rey's own power as an individual - which was a theme in TLJ. Kylo attempted to define her worth himself by saying she was only important to him. I don't like the idea that she was born just to cure Kylo Ren. Having said that, everyone is a pawn in some way or another. Everyone is offered a destiny of sorts. But that doesn't mean you can't reject it or have control over your own life and decisions.

    In TLJ, we see that Rey, despite this possible origin as Ren's equal/soul mate/redeemer, she defines herself and she does that by rejecting Ren. In doing that, she achieves the best of both worlds. She not only becomes her own person but she perhaps has completed the first stage in actually saving Ben Solo?

    I just think this is how the Force works. I don't see it as a sentient God, but as the collective consciousness of the galaxy. Everything is connected and all life feeds into that and into the energy of the Force itself. It therefore, naturally, reacts in ways that seeks to maintain this symbiotic cycle. If the Force becomes unbalanced, something happens to rebalance it. Likewise, if just one individual becomes unbalanced, there it will react to rebalance them. And so, when Ben Solo became unbalanced - by his parent's failures, Snoke's manipulation and such like, this would've created a tremor through the Force. It would naturally react to Ben's imbalance as it would to the imbalance in the galaxy or in the smallest of eco-systems. The reaction to Ben's imbalance was Rey (hence her power, her hopefulness and compassion). That doesn't mean she isn't her own person or that Ben can be redeemed or that they will fall in love. It just means that they share a destiny. And they will have to face this destiny again...
     
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